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Offline Beatle

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Carlisle descriptions
« on: Monday 22 January 18 11:36 GMT (UK) »
Hi

Some of my ancestors came from Carlisle and I was wondering if anyone could tell me briefly what Lowther Street and Bothchergate were like in the later half of the 1800s. I don't know Carlilse at all and only when there once (long before my family history research). On the face of it Lowther street looked quite affluent and commercial and Botchergate looked a poorer working class area. I maybe totally wrong.  ???

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Re: Carlisle descriptions
« Reply #1 on: Monday 22 January 18 12:06 GMT (UK) »
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Re: Carlisle descriptions
« Reply #2 on: Monday 22 January 18 12:12 GMT (UK) »
There seem to be old photographs of both streets on the internet (try googling).

If you have your families on any census you can often get an indication of the conditons by looking around the neighbours, their occupations, the number of children the families had, how many inhabitants per house and so on.

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Re: Carlisle descriptions
« Reply #3 on: Monday 22 January 18 12:14 GMT (UK) »
Lowther Street has many listed buildings:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Listed_buildings_in_Carlisle,_Cumbria

Howard Arms, 103 & 105 Lowther Street
30-40 Lowther Street
29 Lowther Street, and 1-13 Devonshire Street
24 & 26 Lowther Street
37 & 39 Lowther Street
4, 6 & 6A Lowther Street
45 Lowther Street, with 5-51 Bank Street
8 Lowther Street
10, 12 & 14 Lowther Street
22 Lowther Street
15 and 17 Lowther Street
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Re: Carlisle descriptions
« Reply #4 on: Monday 22 January 18 13:11 GMT (UK) »
Lowther Street would have been a much more affluent area, however only on one side of the road (East Side mostly) where the large town houses are.  On the other side of the road were the Old Lanes, which were a much poorer area. 

Sue Johnston (actress) did "Who do you think you are" and her grandfather lived in both the Old Lanes and one of the town houses on Lowther Street, I recall she visited the street in the programme.  The north end of Lowther Street which led onto Rickergate had more mixed housing, (poor and upper working class)  The housing behind the east side of Lowther Street was also very affluent, large town houses.
There was also a school and a theatre on Lowther Street, and quite a few public houses, so not totally up market!

Most of the housing in Botchergate was more basic, small terraced houses behind the main street.  It was much more of an industrial area, with factories, railway sidings/sheds etc  I think the main part of Botchergate was more of a shopping street, my own family had a shop there, from the 1880's.  Behind the main street, again on the east side, there were some more affluent town houses.

Really it depends where your family lived in either of the streets or area. Neither area is either full of poverty or very affluent.
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Re: Carlisle descriptions
« Reply #5 on: Monday 22 January 18 13:29 GMT (UK) »
Hi

Thanks for the feedback!

(Born)
1860           4 Lowther Street
1861    53 Lowther Street
1871    20 Lowther Street
(father dies)
1872           3 Union Street
1881    22 Charles Street
(marries)
1882           6 Victoria Place
1891    12 Lindisfarne Street
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Re: Carlisle descriptions
« Reply #6 on: Monday 22 January 18 14:14 GMT (UK) »
These days, Botchergate is somewhere you don't want to be on a Saturday night.
Como le dijo el mosquito a la rana, "Mas vale morir en el vino que vivir en el agua"

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Re: Carlisle descriptions
« Reply #7 on: Monday 22 January 18 14:30 GMT (UK) »
These days, Botchergate is somewhere you don't want to be on a Saturday night.

You mean where there's an ambulance parked at one end of the street, and police at the other end?! ;D ;D
There was a street in Swindon like that, when I worked there a few years ago :-\
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Re: Carlisle descriptions
« Reply #8 on: Monday 22 January 18 18:44 GMT (UK) »
These days, Botchergate is somewhere you don't want to be on a Saturday night.

You mean where there's an ambulance parked at one end of the street, and police at the other end?! ;D ;D
There was a street in Swindon like that, when I worked there a few years ago :-\

Yes, that's the one.
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