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James Worth and Jane ? - Marriage?
« on: Monday 22 January 18 15:13 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

I'm looking for a bit of a sense / plausibility check on this one  ;D

My 4xG Grandfather is James Worth (father of my 3xG Granny, Sarah Worth wife of Thomas Letherby)

James' age fluctuates on each census:

1841  Age 26  Birth Year  1815
1851  Age 34  Birth Year  1817
1861  Age 40  Birth Year  1821
1871  Age 45  Birth Year  1826

I can't find him in 1881 and believe he died in 1885 aged 62.  All censuses have him in Bridgwater with wife Jane.  Until now I have had no idea of Jane's surname, but I have been revisiting them this afternoon.

James consistently gives his birthplace as Bristol in '51, '61 and '71 and in '61 and '71 he is in the same place - Friarn St - in Bridgwater

Jane doesn't appear to know what age she is either:

1841  Age 25  Birth Year  1816
1851  Age 35  Birth Year  1816
1861  Age 37  Birth Year  1824
1871  Age 50  Birth Year  1821

She consistently gives her birthplace as Dunster in '51, '61 and '71.  Can't find her after that and I suspect that she is the Jane Worth who died in Q4 1881 in Bridgwater, age given as 59 (from FreeBMD).

Looking on FreeBMD there is only 1 James Worth marriage between 1837 and 1841 with potential spouse forename Jane (in Liverpool in 1839), I don't think that's a goer, but a search on FreeREG for any James Worth marriages in Somerset (all places) between 1830 and 1837 throws up a single marriage,  in 1835 in (and this is where it gets interesting!) Dunster between James Worth and Jane Summers.

So far, so exciting - strike up the band, as finding Jane's surname has the possibility of taking me back further, but wait.....

From FreeREG, the only Jane Summers born in Dunster between 1800 and 1825 was baptised in Dunster on 6 June 1812 in St George's, Dunster (from FreeREG) with parents Charles and Eliza.

There is a bit of an issue with this:

No matter how much Jane's age fluctuates on the census, it never takes her birth year back to 1812, which is four years earlier than her earliest 'census' birth year.  If indeed Grandpa James Worth's wife is Jane Summers, a birth year of 1812 is 12 years' earlier than the birth date calculated in the 1861 census (although she only aged 2 years between '51 and '61 and then 13 years between '61 and '71  ;D)

With some of my Scottish and Irish relations, I have seen ages fluctuate which I suppose takes into account that some of the ages given might be 'best guesses' in a time when no-one was filling in their birthdate on forms etc to the extent that we do today.

Following naming conventions, there is no child called Charles that I can find born to James and Jane - only son on the census is Henry (who may be named for James' father), however, there is a Charlotte.  I might be clutching at straws here though!!!

I suppose I'm just wondering whether the 1812 Jane Summers' birth seems reasonable given that everything else seems to 'fit'.

What do you all think?

Rockford
BURNSIDE [Londonderry, Lothians and Pennsylvania]
THORBURN [Lanarkshire], VAIR [Melrose]
SWEENEY [Donegal/Lanarkshire]
GILCHRIST [Lanarkshire, Peebles, Lothians], SMITH [Dunbartonshire, Lanarkshire, Lothians]
GREGORY [Bucks, Wales], BENNETT [Somerset, Wales]
LETHERBY/HOWLETT/PHIPPS [Somerset]
HUNTER [New Monkland, Fife], GWYNNE [New Monkland, Stirling, Midlothian]
LOGIE/DUNLOP/THOMSON/YOUNG [West Lothian]

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Re: James Worth and Jane ? - Marriage?
« Reply #1 on: Monday 22 January 18 15:22 GMT (UK) »
Why not look for the births of the younger children on the new gro index to see what the mothers maiden name is?


E.g  Jul/Aug/Sep 1849 Bridgwater - Sarah Worth mmn Somers
       Apr/May/Jun 1847 Bridgwater - Henry Worth mmn Somers 
       Jan/Frb/Mar 1854 Bridgwater - Charlotte Worth mmn Summers
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: James Worth and Jane ? - Marriage?
« Reply #2 on: Monday 22 January 18 15:41 GMT (UK) »
Dunster records have a baptism William Worth 16 Aug 1835 parents James and Jane
Masters, Parker, A'Court, Cary(ey), Cannon, Oram, Reynolds, Hennessy, Chislett,
Somerset
Muspratt,Pitman - Wiltshire, Dorset
Treasure - Stoke Lane & Sherborne

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Re: James Worth and Jane ? - Marriage?
« Reply #3 on: Monday 22 January 18 16:07 GMT (UK) »
Family search has a Jane Summers bapt 23 Oct 1825 parents William & Eve but unfortunately no place is given, just says Somerset.
Masters, Parker, A'Court, Cary(ey), Cannon, Oram, Reynolds, Hennessy, Chislett,
Somerset
Muspratt,Pitman - Wiltshire, Dorset
Treasure - Stoke Lane & Sherborne


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Re: James Worth and Jane ? - Marriage?
« Reply #4 on: Monday 22 January 18 16:15 GMT (UK) »
Why not look for the births of the younger children on the new gro index to see what the mothers maiden name is?

I did not know that such a thing existed!  I have only ever used the GRO to order the occasional certificate and the last time was several years ago.

I am in Scotland and most of my ancestors can be found lurking in the Scotland's People records.  I am obviously behind the times for English records.  I must now check for any other nameless grannies.

Thank you so much for pointing me in the direction of GRO.

Best wishes

Rockford
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GREGORY [Bucks, Wales], BENNETT [Somerset, Wales]
LETHERBY/HOWLETT/PHIPPS [Somerset]
HUNTER [New Monkland, Fife], GWYNNE [New Monkland, Stirling, Midlothian]
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Re: James Worth and Jane ? - Marriage?
« Reply #5 on: Monday 22 January 18 16:20 GMT (UK) »
Dunster records have a baptism William Worth 16 Aug 1835 parents James and Jane

Thanks!  I hadn't checked the Dunster records for children, as there were no children with them in 1841.  I did think that if the marriage was the right one, there was quite a gap between the marriage and when Emily appears aged 8 in 1851.

Best wishes

Rockford
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GILCHRIST [Lanarkshire, Peebles, Lothians], SMITH [Dunbartonshire, Lanarkshire, Lothians]
GREGORY [Bucks, Wales], BENNETT [Somerset, Wales]
LETHERBY/HOWLETT/PHIPPS [Somerset]
HUNTER [New Monkland, Fife], GWYNNE [New Monkland, Stirling, Midlothian]
LOGIE/DUNLOP/THOMSON/YOUNG [West Lothian]

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Re: James Worth and Jane ? - Marriage?
« Reply #6 on: Monday 22 January 18 16:22 GMT (UK) »
Here is the gro site

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp

You have to register, but it is free.

Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk