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Help tracking elusive Greater Manchester family (Moscow/Moscoe)
« on: Monday 22 January 18 19:14 GMT (UK) »
I'm looking for the parents of Maria Moscow, born 1855 in Ashton-Under-Lyne. I can't locate a birth record or a census find prior to her marriage to Wright Platt. I'm currently waiting for the marriage certificate. Other trees seem to think she is sister to John, William and Ellen Moscoe/Moscow, who can be found living with their widowed mother in 1871, though Maria is not living with them. Moreover, the birth index of John, William, and Ellen are also not to be found, nor is any earlier census record than 1871. Adding to this, there seems to be no death or remarriage record for their mother, or any record of the death (or birth) of William Moscoe/Moscow, the father stated on several of the siblings' marriage certificates, nor of any marriage between a William Moscoe/Moscow and a Margaret (the sibling's mother).

Margaret, the mother, was Irish, so it's possible that William was too, though the name Moscoe or Moscow is more or less unrecorded in Ireland, and is rare enough in England. There's a spattering of Moscoes in the Lancashire records, but finds are patchy and don't show much sign of a continuous lineage in the area (or anywhere else). Most Moscow families are descendants of recent Jewish immigrants and only appeared in Britain several decades after Maria's birth. There's minimal evidence of Moscows before that time, and when it occurs it seems to be a variation of Moscoe.

I've considered the possibility that all siblings were born out of wedlock and that William Muscoe/Moscow was an invention, which I've seen happen before, but Margaret does claim to be widowed in 1871, and I've not seen lies on a census before. Possibly the Muscoe/Moscow surname was invented after the birth of all children, hence no birth records. But that wouldn't explain the lack of death records for the mother (or father). It also doesn't help me find the family in 1861, since I've searched for the family using only birth dates and birth places, with the surname omitted. Also, I've checked all births in the stated years for each sibling, and none seem to be mistranscriptions of anything close to Muscoe or Moscow.

Any help would be appreciated.


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Re: Help tracking elusive Greater Manchester family (Moscow/Moscoe)
« Reply #1 on: Monday 22 January 18 20:01 GMT (UK) »
Which town and what is the surname as indexed for tge 1871 family?
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Brown 1800-> Woolwich (Kent)  Barnett 1800-> Woolwich (Kent)
Pannifer 1830-> Deptford (Kent)  Brierley in Staffordshire(Pre-1875)
Walters in Middlesex(Pre-1875)  Clift,Gould in Devon/Cornwall

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Re: Help tracking elusive Greater Manchester family (Moscow/Moscoe)
« Reply #2 on: Monday 22 January 18 20:12 GMT (UK) »
In the meantime, some namesake records.


possible 1851 census https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGYW-2TV

two names in common for 1861 .https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGYG-WGK
(ages would have been helpful)!

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KDG4-VG9 (a prison record which may be relevant)
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Brown 1800-> Woolwich (Kent)  Barnett 1800-> Woolwich (Kent)
Pannifer 1830-> Deptford (Kent)  Brierley in Staffordshire(Pre-1875)
Walters in Middlesex(Pre-1875)  Clift,Gould in Devon/Cornwall

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Re: Help tracking elusive Greater Manchester family (Moscow/Moscoe)
« Reply #3 on: Monday 22 January 18 20:14 GMT (UK) »
Which town and what is the surname as indexed for tge 1871 family?

Surname: Moscoe
Residence: Ashton Under Lyne
Head: Margaret Moscoe, born 1839, County Mayo, Ireland
Son: John Moscoe, born 1856, Ashton Under Lyne, Lancashire
Son: William Moscoe, born 1861 Newton Heath, Cheshire
Daughter: Ellen Moscoe, born 1863, Manchester

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Re: Help tracking elusive Greater Manchester family (Moscow/Moscoe)
« Reply #4 on: Monday 22 January 18 20:35 GMT (UK) »
so the 1871 census:  https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KD6C-XGP (quick reference)

and the 1873 marriage was registrar attended (Cheshirebmd)

Ellen wed 1881(cheshirebmd)
MOSCOW   Ellen   RICHARDSON   Harman   Ashton under Lyne, St Michael   Tameside
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NFFY-M6C
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Brown 1800-> Woolwich (Kent)  Barnett 1800-> Woolwich (Kent)
Pannifer 1830-> Deptford (Kent)  Brierley in Staffordshire(Pre-1875)
Walters in Middlesex(Pre-1875)  Clift,Gould in Devon/Cornwall

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Re: Help tracking elusive Greater Manchester family (Moscow/Moscoe)
« Reply #5 on: Monday 22 January 18 21:14 GMT (UK) »
Probably not but from Lancs OPC:
Baptism: 17 Sep 1854 St Ann, Ashton under Lyne, Lancashire, England
Hannah Maria Musgrave - [Child] of William Musgrave & Margt. (formerly Finnigan)
    Born: 10 Sep 1854
    Godparents: John Ferguson; Ellen Blakeney
    Parents' Marital Status: con.
    Baptised by: John Qualey

Baptism: 10 Feb 1856 St Ann, Ashton under Lyne, Lancashire, England
Joannes Muscrow - filius Gulielmi Muscrow & Margaritae (formerly Finegan)
    Born: 28 Jan 1856
    Godparents: Joannes Gallaher; Maria Flaunt
    Baptised by: Joanne Qualey Sac. Miss.
   

Baptism: 9 Nov 1862 St Joseph, Ancoats, Lancashire, England
Hellena Mosgrove - filia Gulielmi Mosgrove & Margaritae (formerly Finnigan)
    Born: 27 Oct 1862
    Godparents: Jacobus McCauley; Brigitta Guilroy
    Baptised by: J. J. DeGryse M. C.

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MUSGROVE, WILLIAM       mmnFINNIGAN  GRO Reference: 1860  M Quarter in MANCHESTER  Volume 08D  Page 320


There's a marriage Margaret Finnigan and William Mosgrove 1852 Ashton Under Lyne.

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Re: Help tracking elusive Greater Manchester family (Moscow/Moscoe)
« Reply #6 on: Monday 22 January 18 21:17 GMT (UK) »
That looks very good  :)
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Re: Help tracking elusive Greater Manchester family (Moscow/Moscoe)
« Reply #7 on: Monday 22 January 18 21:20 GMT (UK) »
 :) We can hope!

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Re: Help tracking elusive Greater Manchester family (Moscow/Moscoe)
« Reply #8 on: Monday 22 January 18 21:22 GMT (UK) »
1861 2984/ 83/24


Cavendish Street A-u-L
William Musgrove 30 yrs Plasterer b Ireland
Margaret Musgrove 24 yrs b Ireland
Maria Musgrove   7 yrs
John Musgrove   5 yrs
William Musgrove 2 yrs

Lodging with Philbin family

Does the occupation match with the marriage certificate?
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