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Mountney Crest Norfolk or Leicestershire?
« on: Wednesday 24 January 18 10:40 GMT (UK) »
Hi
My 9th grt grandfather was William Mounteney/Mountney of Newbold Verdon, Leicestershire.
As far as I know the Mountney family held land in Leicestershire,Norfolk and at there main family seat Mountnessing, Essex.
In the Leicestershire visitation the Mountney crest is given as
ĎA Wolf Sejant Arg., Collared And Lined Gu.í
And on familysilver lists the wolf crest for Mountney of Norfolk, Essex and Leicestershire.

But there is also another crest present on family silver which is
ĎA Greyhound Sejant Collared And Lined.í
And lists Mountney of Leicestershire.
As far as I know the last ĎLanded Gentlemaní of Mounteney in Leicestershire was William or maybe his son or nephews.

So was the Greyhound used by them Personally in Leicestershire while the Wolf was the main family crest?


Dudley of Cosby/Odstone - Gentry Land Owners
Bent of Cosby - Lords of the Manor and Gentry
Swynfen of Sutton Cheney- Gentry Land Owners
Cotes of Aylestone - Gentry Land Owners
Halford of Wistow - Baronets & Gentry Land Owners
Cotton of Dadlington - Gentry Land Owners
Elkington of Wistow - Yeoman & Gentry Merchants
Barnard of Abington - Gentry & Lords of the Manor
Billings of Rolleston/Cottingham - Gentry & Yeoman

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Re: Mountney Crest Norfolk or Leicestershire?
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 24 January 18 12:21 GMT (UK) »
A crest is that part that sits on top of the helm/helmet/crown above the shield of the coat-of-arms.
It is this crest that usually appears on silver.
And this crest may differ between different branches of the family.

So, when you say "crest", are you referring to the crest or the coat-of-arms?
Garrad (Suffolk, Essex, Somerset), Crocker (Somerset), Vanstone (Devon, Jersey), Sims (Wiltshire), Bridger (Kent)

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Re: Mountney Crest Norfolk or Leicestershire?
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 24 January 18 13:13 GMT (UK) »
Crest I should say as itís listed as a heraldic crest.
Dudley of Cosby/Odstone - Gentry Land Owners
Bent of Cosby - Lords of the Manor and Gentry
Swynfen of Sutton Cheney- Gentry Land Owners
Cotes of Aylestone - Gentry Land Owners
Halford of Wistow - Baronets & Gentry Land Owners
Cotton of Dadlington - Gentry Land Owners
Elkington of Wistow - Yeoman & Gentry Merchants
Barnard of Abington - Gentry & Lords of the Manor
Billings of Rolleston/Cottingham - Gentry & Yeoman

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Re: Mountney Crest Norfolk or Leicestershire?
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 24 January 18 14:18 GMT (UK) »
Burkes General Armoury says this:

Mountney (counties Essex & Leicestershire, and Gestwick, county Norfolk)
Azure, a bend between six martlets or
Crest: A wolf sejant argent, collared and lined gules

Mountney (co Essex)
Gules, a bend cotised between six martlets (another, mullets) or

Mountney (Newland-Vernon, Leicestershire)
Azure, a bend argent between three martlets, or
Crest: A greyhound sejant, collared and lined

Mountney (Cowley, Yorkshire)
Or, a bend between six martlets gules

Mountney
Gules, a bend between six martlets argent (another, or)
Another Gules, a bend cotised between six martlets (another, mullets) or
Another Paly of six or and gules, on a chief, three bezants (another, the chief argent)

So that's arms described for 5 different families, with another 4 variations!

The 2 different crests described are for different families, with similar, but differing coats-of-arms (6 martlets on one; 3 martlets on the other)
Garrad (Suffolk, Essex, Somerset), Crocker (Somerset), Vanstone (Devon, Jersey), Sims (Wiltshire), Bridger (Kent)

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Re: Mountney Crest Norfolk or Leicestershire?
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 24 January 18 14:24 GMT (UK) »
Ah thank you very much for this, From what I know my Mountneys bought land and moved to Newbold/Newland Verdon but didnít purchase the Manor. Visitation says this line came from Norfolk, which have deduced as being from a Manor there and originally from the family of Mountnessing.
So it seems the crest could have been changed to a Greyhound when this branch moved to Leicestershire as there were no mountneys prior.
Although visitation does list the Wolf crest.
Dudley of Cosby/Odstone - Gentry Land Owners
Bent of Cosby - Lords of the Manor and Gentry
Swynfen of Sutton Cheney- Gentry Land Owners
Cotes of Aylestone - Gentry Land Owners
Halford of Wistow - Baronets & Gentry Land Owners
Cotton of Dadlington - Gentry Land Owners
Elkington of Wistow - Yeoman & Gentry Merchants
Barnard of Abington - Gentry & Lords of the Manor
Billings of Rolleston/Cottingham - Gentry & Yeoman

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Re: Mountney Crest Norfolk or Leicestershire?
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 24 January 18 14:33 GMT (UK) »
Probably a cadet branch of the main family line?

Changing the number of martlets, and changing the crest to distinguish?
Garrad (Suffolk, Essex, Somerset), Crocker (Somerset), Vanstone (Devon, Jersey), Sims (Wiltshire), Bridger (Kent)

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Re: Mountney Crest Norfolk or Leicestershire?
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 15 March 18 18:35 GMT (UK) »
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Dudley of Cosby/Odstone - Gentry Land Owners
Bent of Cosby - Lords of the Manor and Gentry
Swynfen of Sutton Cheney- Gentry Land Owners
Cotes of Aylestone - Gentry Land Owners
Halford of Wistow - Baronets & Gentry Land Owners
Cotton of Dadlington - Gentry Land Owners
Elkington of Wistow - Yeoman & Gentry Merchants
Barnard of Abington - Gentry & Lords of the Manor
Billings of Rolleston/Cottingham - Gentry & Yeoman