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Unidentified uniform or costume - help please photographer was S. Edwin
« on: Thursday 25 January 18 04:07 GMT (UK) »
This photo was found in family album which dates from 1880's.  Would appreciate help identifying
the uniform/costume which may help to identify subject.  The cap appears to have a crown.  The UK postal museum has confirmed it is not a postal uniform.  The photographer was S. Edwin, 113 Clarence Road.  No identifying town or city on photo.   The two buttons between the lapels are
distinctive.

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Re: Unidentified uniform or costume - help please photographer was S. Edwin
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 25 January 18 10:36 GMT (UK) »
 This photo is of a railwayman in the 1880s, it looks a similar uniform, each company had slightly different uniforms.    http://c8.alamy.com/comp/KRD210/a-young-victorian-railwayman-poses-in-his-uniform-date-circa-1880s-KRD210.jpg
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Re: Unidentified uniform or costume - help please photographer was S. Edwin
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 25 January 18 10:58 GMT (UK) »
The picture dates from around 1908-12.
The crown indicates to me he may be a mariner of some description.
Railwaymen tended to have the company logo on their caps.
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Re: Unidentified uniform or costume - help please photographer was S. Edwin
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 25 January 18 22:55 GMT (UK) »
Trishanne thankyou for the link.  The cap is different to the one in the posted photo.

Jim,  Thankyou for your comments and the date.  There is a Clarence Rd. in Portsmouth so that would agree with the possible mariner.  There is a second photo in the album, J. Long & Son Portsmouth.  Jim, do you think the young man on the right could be the man in uniform? He has the same distinctive earlobe and both have a long face.  Would both photos have been taken at a similar time?

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Re: Unidentified uniform or costume - help please photographer was S. Edwin
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 25 January 18 23:19 GMT (UK) »
There are a handful of newspaper adverts (all in 1906) like this:
S EDWIN, Photographer, PARK STUDIO, Near Park Entrance. 113. CLARENCE ROAD, GRAYS. PORTRAITURE in any Style Moderate Prices. Call or write for price list.

March 17, 1906 - Grays & Tilbury Gazette, and Southend Teleg...

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Re: Unidentified uniform or costume - help please photographer was S. Edwin
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 25 January 18 23:29 GMT (UK) »
Good morning,

I think Trishanne and Jim are both right, in an odd way. He could be a ferry crewman or dockside operative.

Ferries were often run by rail companies hence the jacket but worn with a MN style cap.

I have had a look but can't find any images from that era to back up my theory but will keep looking.

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Re: Unidentified uniform or costume - help please photographer was S. Edwin
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 25 January 18 23:41 GMT (UK) »
Maureen, thankyou for the info. very helpful, have been looking for details on this photographer for quite a while without success.

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Re: Unidentified uniform or costume - help please photographer was S. Edwin
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 25 January 18 23:54 GMT (UK) »
Good morning John,   Your comments are appreciated and may not be just a theory!  They have
led me to a possible family in Portsmouth.  On checking the 1901 census for this family a son has
recorded his occupation as dockyard worker, a broad term but could include ferrymen.  He was born in 1870 making him 38-42 using Jim's dates.  However, he does appear younger.

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Re: Unidentified uniform or costume - help please photographer was S. Edwin
« Reply #8 on: Friday 26 January 18 00:00 GMT (UK) »
I think the photos were taken around the same time give or take a year or two. The buttons appear to be securing the jacket lapels as in Pat's photo....maybe this allows the collar to be buttoned up close with a mandarin style collar in cooler weather.
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