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Illegible birthplace, 1851 census
« on: Friday 26 January 18 07:19 GMT (UK) »
Can anyone help work out what this birthplace is meant to say please? It's from the 1851 census for Alexander McKenzie, a Scottish tailor living in St Pancras. Class HO107; Piece 1493; Folio 563; Page 8. Anything I can make of it doesn't seem to be a real place. This was the only census in which Alexander gave a more precise place of birth than 'Scotland'. Confidence isn't inspired by the fact that his wife was from Woburn in Bedfordshire, and there are plenty of streets named after Woburn in that part of London, yet her birthplace has come out as 'Waurbourn'.
Kelly, Birkenhead & Co. Kildare
Marshall, Luton & area
Reid, Co. Kildare & Dublin
Cox, Barnack Northamptonshire
Edwards, Pagham, Sussex & area
Scott, Roxburghshire & Perthshire
Mitchell, Warwickshire
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Re: Illegible birthplace, 1851 census
« Reply #2 on: Friday 26 January 18 08:39 GMT (UK) »
I wasnt sure if it was a k or an r.

Have you tried looking at old maps gazetteer , going through all Scottish counties looking for place names that you could garble to resemble the 1851 entry?

https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Gazetteer
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Re: Illegible birthplace, 1851 census
« Reply #3 on: Friday 26 January 18 08:50 GMT (UK) »
I thought it was Ros?finic and had a look at the census to check the ‘R’ and the ‘K’. I think it is ‘R’ .
However, I can’t find a place. :-\
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Re: Illegible birthplace, 1851 census
« Reply #4 on: Friday 26 January 18 08:55 GMT (UK) »
There is a Daniel McKenzie at 1851 1494/625/32 who is also a Tailor in St Pancras. He is from Paisley.
He might be no relation but I thought I would mention him.
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Re: Illegible birthplace, 1851 census
« Reply #5 on: Friday 26 January 18 09:00 GMT (UK) »
I thought it was 'Rosefinie'.

I found this - it may have put on by you - if not, somebody else also can't find the place!
https://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Alexander_McKenzie_%2821%29

Had a quick look through Scotlandsplaces - a fabulous site if you can find a specific place.
https://scotlandsplaces.gov.uk
Still no luck I'm afraid.

Do you know any of Alexander's siblings you could look for in the Censuses to see if there's anything written as their place of birth?

Added: Snap idea heywood!
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs

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Re: Illegible birthplace, 1851 census
« Reply #6 on: Friday 26 January 18 09:43 GMT (UK) »
Thanks all - good ideas. Looking through the gazetteer I have spotted 'Rhughasinish' on South Uist - wonder if the Gaelic pronunciation would be something closer to Rosefinie? (The WeRelate page was me.) Equally, Daniel from Paisley being a tailor also in St Pancras sounds worth a bit more investigation.
Kelly, Birkenhead & Co. Kildare
Marshall, Luton & area
Reid, Co. Kildare & Dublin
Cox, Barnack Northamptonshire
Edwards, Pagham, Sussex & area
Scott, Roxburghshire & Perthshire
Mitchell, Warwickshire
Savage, Hampshire

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Re: Illegible birthplace, 1851 census
« Reply #7 on: Friday 26 January 18 09:56 GMT (UK) »
Different angle, but I see that Alexander married Mary Gobbey at St James, Westminster on 23 Aug 1831.

Have the marriage witnesses, Robert Millar Strathern and Amelia Edmunds, been traced?

The former, in particular, looks promising for being connected to Alexander’s Scottish origins.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Illegible birthplace, 1851 census
« Reply #8 on: Friday 26 January 18 09:59 GMT (UK) »
Different angle, but I see that Alexander married Mary Gobbey at St Jmes, Westminster on 23 Aug 1831.

Have the marriage witnesses, Robert Millar Strathern and Amelia Edmunds, been traced?

The former, in particular, looks promising for being connected to Alexander’s Scottish origins.

In fact, Alexander McKenzie had been one of the witnesses a couple of months earlier when Robert Millar Strathern married Hannah Boden at St George Hanover Square on 26 June 1831.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)