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Offline Tsu

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Re: Ancestry DNA - How to best use?
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 01 February 18 15:03 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Mike.  That's what I thought too but what a co-incidence!

Of course, I don't definitively know that Margaret EP is "the" Margaret P who appears on the grandfather's birth certificate.  I'm slowly ruling them out one by one.  It's a fairly small area where I know she lived but there are a lot of them as I don't know her exact age.

The biological mother's family were friends with the adoptive family and the adoption was arranged before the birth and done privately.  The child was given the names chosen by the adoptive family at birth.

I wonder if it's the biological father's DNA he's being matched with?
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Happe/Hoppe (St. Georges in the East)
Stanley (middle name Thurston)
Rondeau (Spitalfields and Salford)
Jones (Bishopsgate - Thomas, Ostrich Feather Manufacturer)
Wood (London City)
McDermott (Londonderry and Stepney)
Upcraft (Bethnal Green)
Chidgey (Shoredtich)
Grim (Bethnal Green)
Row (Mast makers in Wapping)
Spurden (Stepney and Pancras)
Glibbery (Bishopsgate)

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Re: Ancestry DNA - How to best use?
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 01 February 18 17:03 GMT (UK) »
DNA is foreign territory for me at the moment, but if the confidence is high for a 4th-6th cousin I would think a bit more research on that family is worthwile.

If my maths is right (not guaranteed!) there are 32 possible common ancestors for 4th cousins. The marriage between Jane Elisabeth and Cadwaladr could be a red herring - a simple coincidence, if both families lived in the same area for several generations.

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Re: Ancestry DNA - How to best use?
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 01 February 18 23:07 GMT (UK) »
Hi Tsu, thanks for that clarification. I can see I still had it a little wrong. But I think Mike has got the family tree correct now.

So it seems we are trying to identify the biological father of Margaret EP's child, and that child is your husband's grandfather. And as Mike has observed, there is no biological connection in the tree so far that explains the match. So it seems that there are two connections between the P family and the H family - the one through the marriage of Jane P and J Calwaladr, and the other via the relationship between Margaret EP and this unknown man. Such linked family trees must be common in small villages in UK.

So as I said before, since the match is 4-6 cousins (and my limited experience with Ancestry suggests 4th or 5th may be most likely), it seems likely that the common ancestor is Hugh H senior's father, perhaps his grandfather or perhaps even Hugh himself. That would mean that the biological father we are looking for is Hugh H senior's grandchild, or his father's, uncle's or aunt's great grandchild. If you know that part of the family tree, you may be able to draw all of these generations and identify everyone who could be the one. You seem to be experienced enough to work all that out.

The tricky bit will then be to work out which of the possibilities is the right one, and that may require some more DNA testing down some of those lines, which may or may not be possible. But if you don't have too many branches in that tree and not too many possible fathers of Margaret P's child, and if some people in those lines are willing to test, then it might be possible to work it out.

There are websites, forums and organisations that specialise in helping with adoptions, and you may find some better advice there, but that is as much as I can understand.

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Re: Ancestry DNA - How to best use?
« Reply #12 on: Friday 02 February 18 00:59 GMT (UK) »
Good luck with this
I'm not sure I understand your tree but I can offer encouragement
My grandmother was adopted too we knew her maiden name and that she.d got married and had a son but didn't know the surname

By finding a 3rd cousin match who didn't match any of my paternal family on DNA or any of the birth fathers family we worked out he must be her descendant...asked what his grandmother s maiden name was ....bingo

We had the name of the birth father tho
You can sometimes find that from a court case ...do you know the child's origins l name ?
Sometimes informal adoptions were by family members ..married sisters cousins or aunts so there could be DNA connection there too

Have you tried looking at your DNA matches by location rather than by name ...I've just found that function !
Roberts,Fellman.Macdermid MCDERMID McDiarmid Gardner Jones ,Bloch,Irvine,Hallis Stevenson ,McKay