Author Topic: George Charles Adams and Jessie Isabel Helme  (Read 1201 times)

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Re: George Charles Adams and Jessie Isabel Helme
« Reply #18 on: Saturday 27 January 18 14:24 GMT (UK) »
Very true  ;D       I doubt buying her will would help either  :-\
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Re: George Charles Adams and Jessie Isabel Helme
« Reply #19 on: Saturday 27 January 18 15:05 GMT (UK) »
She died on 13th Dec. 1969, so the probate records are in 1970.

She appears under Gregson with a cross-reference to Adams. Under Adams it says "Adams or Gregson", and her address is given as Green Bank, Harboro Road, Ashton-on-Mersey, Sale.


For anyone else looking here's the entry in London Gazette - says widow

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/45017/page/442/data.pdf

Do you know if Miriam Grime has any connection to the family?

Can you search /get access to electoral registers  (pre/ post 1939) to see if Maud is Adams or Gregson on there?

As she appears to have been at the same address this is a good suggestion from PaulineJ

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Re: George Charles Adams and Jessie Isabel Helme
« Reply #20 on: Saturday 27 January 18 15:10 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for that. Yes, I'll see if I can get access to the electoral rolls for Sale.

As for Miriam Grimes, she may just be the contact at the solicitors, but I'll check further anyway.

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Re: George Charles Adams and Jessie Isabel Helme
« Reply #21 on: Saturday 27 January 18 15:29 GMT (UK) »
As for Miriam Grimes, she may just be the contact at the solicitors, but I'll check further anyway.

For info. in case it relates to the same person

Bredbury and Romiley U.D.   Cheshire 1939 
Norman E Grime born c1903
Miriam Grime born c1906

Sep 1930 Manchester
Norman E Grime
Miriam Brassington

Marriage Cert.
Norman age 27 occ Solicitor, Jepson Hotel Victoria father Robert Ernest retired mining engineer,
Miriam age 24 father Joseph railway inspector

Miriam Brassington Baptism 14 Feb 1906 Salford, Stowell Memorial Church, Lancashire,
Father:   Joseph Brassington, railway inspector   Mother:   Miriam Brassington


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Re: George Charles Adams and Jessie Isabel Helme
« Reply #22 on: Wednesday 31 January 18 09:56 GMT (UK) »
I wonder, did Maud have a hasty marriage that was very short lasting and her parents disapproved. This marriage perhaps occurred outwith the UK. Her parents may have insisted that if she returned home to them she revert to the use her maiden name so as not to alert neighbours and local society of the marriage. All supposition.
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Re: George Charles Adams and Jessie Isabel Helme
« Reply #23 on: Thursday 01 February 18 22:25 GMT (UK) »
Actually, I think that's quite a reasonable supposition. I've now had a look at the Cheshire Electoral Rolls on FindMyPast and up to 1932 she was still living with her parents under the surname Adams. So between 1932 and 1939 she must have got married and then in 1939 she's with her parents as Gregson. I'm guessing after a divorce, the marriage would still be on the records, but if the marriage was annulled would the marriage then be deleted from the records ? Anyway, the marriage was clearly short-lived and I think I can now safely assume there was no issue from the marriage, which is what I was really interested in knowing about.

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Re: George Charles Adams and Jessie Isabel Helme
« Reply #24 on: Thursday 01 February 18 23:34 GMT (UK) »
Hi, Gordon, you have raised another issue here. I thought there might have been an annulment. However, in all my family history research I have never encountered an annulment in my families. So your query re: is the marriage removed from the records following an annulment is a new one to me. I donít know the answer. This query is probably better on another board on here. Would you raise the question, or should I?
Regards
Kathb
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Fitzsimmons/Cheshire, Birkenhead/Lancashire, Liverpool/Ireland
Lewis/Cheshire,Spurstow, Bunbury, Little Budworth, Helsby/Birkenhead
Mackay/Mckay Caithness
Anderson/, Caithness
Dunnet, Caithness
Mowat/ Caithness
Gunn/ Caithness
Smith/Caithness, Dunnet, Thurso, Castletown
Rosie/Caithness, Thurso
Sadlier Forster/Liverpool/Ireland, Cork

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Re: George Charles Adams and Jessie Isabel Helme
« Reply #25 on: Friday 02 February 18 02:55 GMT (UK) »
Hi, Gordon, you have raised another issue here. I thought there might have been an annulment. However, in all my family history research I have never encountered an annulment in my families. So your query re: is the marriage removed from the records following an annulment is a new one to me. I donít know the answer. This query is probably better on another board on here. Would you raise the question, or should I?
Regards
Kathb

Or you could contact the superintendent registrar yourself, and put the reply onto here
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Re: George Charles Adams and Jessie Isabel Helme
« Reply #26 on: Friday 02 February 18 15:13 GMT (UK) »
Hi Kath,

So, I work at the Local Record Office on a Friday morning, and I spoke to a Registrar  there. She had no idea what happened in the case of an annulment. I've just spoken to the GRO and they told me that even if the marriage was annulled the record of it would still be kept (mind you, they had to put me on hold for a couple of minutes whilst they debated it internally !). Their view was that the marriage may never actually have taken place and she'd assumed a married name for whatever reason. The other possibility is that she was married abroad (or at least not in England or Wales. I'll check Scotlandspeople in case she was married there), but that would be virtually impossible to determine.

Otherwise, I'll just have to write it off as a family mystery !

Gordon.