John Keates

[Kathleenjean]

I am looking for John Keates. He married Elizabeth Ann Hibbard Caudwell in January 1872 in Ilkeston, Derbyshire. He was shown as age 30. His father was James Keates. I cannot find the Keates -father or son in the census of 1841, 1851, 1861 or 1871. Elizabeth his wife was in Mansfield Union Workhouse with the children in 1881, she later married Charles Goodwin by 1891. Help desperately needed please.

[rosie99]

Welcome to rootschat. 

What were the occupations of John & his father

[Kathleenjean]

Father and son both shown as labourers on wedding certificate.

[rosie99]

Thank you.  Not much help to you is it      

Are the witnesses any help

[Kathleenjean]

The witnesses are a married couple, surname appears to be unrelated to either bride or groom! I could try to find their marriage, the maiden name of the lady might be "Keates" - a long shot but you never know what might turn up.

It is so frustrating, John  Keates must be on the census somewhere. Thanks for your help.

[heywood]

Hello,

Who were the witnesses? Did  John and Elizabeth give the same address?

Heywood

[Kathleenjean]

Both bride and groom shown as living in Ilkeston (no address).
Witnesses Matthew and Mary Overton Hawkins.
I am looking for wedding of Matthew and Mary to see if there is a maiden surname of Keates, so far no success. They were grocers living in Ilkeston in 1871.
So far, Ilkeston seems to be the only connection between witnesses and bride and groom. It is a great mystery.

[heywood]

Matthew Hawkins was a Plate Layer in 1871 not a grocer. His lodger was a Railway Labourer so John may have also been working on the railways.
Do you have any children’s birth records with his occupation?
The marriage for the Hawkins was December quarter  1852 , Louth Lincolnshire.
Mary Overton Hill and Matthew Hawkins.

[Kathleenjean]

Thank you for the information regarding Matthew Hawkins. I am struggling to even find him on the 1871 census, believe I may have found his wife Mary shown as residing Alfreton Belper Derbyshire. I think another subscription to Ancestry is needed! Have you used Find My Past for your research, I wondered if that is as good or better than Ancestry? Your comments would be appreciated. Many thanks.