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Pelican Terrace, Speenhamland, Newbury
« on: Saturday 27 January 18 16:11 GMT (UK) »
Is anyone able to say if the row in the photo at

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=786632.0

is Pelican Terrace, Speenhamland, Newbury?

Am I right in thinking it has been demolished?

But are there any old photographs or maps anywhere?
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Re: Pelican Terrace, Speenhamland, Newbury
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 28 January 18 20:04 GMT (UK) »
If it usn't Pelican Terrace it is very like it. There aren't that many designs of these terraces but Pelican Terrace had all the features here.  Yes it has been demolished.

Only part of the terrace is in the picture but it looks like the end of the terrace furthest from the camera.  In which case if would be No 5 (three beyond the woman, 8 in the terrace).
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Re: Pelican Terrace, Speenhamland, Newbury
« Reply #2 on: Monday 29 January 18 06:32 GMT (UK) »
Many thanks,
It has distinctive brickwork, so I can see it's not Westbourne Terrace. I wonder if Pelican Terrace was parallel to it, where Angel Court is now? It's not named on old maps online (unless I'm looking in the wrong place!)
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Re: Pelican Terrace, Speenhamland, Newbury
« Reply #3 on: Monday 29 January 18 09:51 GMT (UK) »
Not Angel Court (that replaced much of Goswell Row), Pelican Terrace ran parallel to Westbourne Terrace to the east. It's loss provided back gardens for that side of Westbourne Terrace.

The brickwork is distinctive but far from unique - but it matched that of Pelican Terrace. Given the other information you have I'd be pretty confident in the ID.

I hope the link works! http://maps.nls.uk//view/104197714
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Re: Pelican Terrace, Speenhamland, Newbury
« Reply #4 on: Monday 29 January 18 10:10 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for the map (link works) - that makes things much clearer. I only found a similar naming Westbourne Terrace and not much else.

I think the top end of Goswell Row became Tanner Court - Angel Court links Pelican Lane to Corporation Cottages.

I wonder if the Museum or Library have a photo? I'll contact them.



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Re: Pelican Terrace, Speenhamland, Newbury
« Reply #5 on: Monday 29 January 18 10:57 GMT (UK) »
You can see Pelican Terrace named on this 1880 Town Plan https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/447059/167759/13/100070

also on this 1966 map https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/447059/167759/13/101329
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Re: Pelican Terrace, Speenhamland, Newbury
« Reply #6 on: Monday 29 January 18 11:46 GMT (UK) »
My mistake - I'm better on old names than current ones!

If it's Pelican Terrace, and I'm pretty sure it is, then it is definitely No 5. I've just spotted the drainpipe, which was in the middle of the terrace between 4 and 5.

According to local directories the Barlows lived there 1898/9 to 1916 - which would, I think, match pretty well with the post card back. I'd be more sure if Roger Vaughan's website hadn't gone massively awry recently so I shall have to seek an alternative photo back dating source!

It's a little odd that the directories all list A Barlow?  Even odder the Lloyd George Domesday has Mark Ballard at No 5 in 1911/12. Just goes to show that directories are not the most accurate source!

You can see Pelican Terrace in this aerial view - https://britainfromabove.org.uk/en/image/EPW059806/download

And yes, the museum does have a photo (much later than yours) - a copy might be in the photo folders in their library.  IIRC the library gave all their photos to the museum.
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Re: Pelican Terrace, Speenhamland, Newbury
« Reply #7 on: Monday 29 January 18 12:06 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Stan - that 1880 map is also very good for finding the various courts off Northbrook and Bartholomew Streets.

Newburychap - both 1901 and 1911 censuses have Mark Ballard at No.4, Elisha & Hannah Barlow at No.5, and Alfred Barlow [their son] at No.7.

Alfred's son Walter is the Barlow on the WW1 memorial.

A ground level photo should clinch it.
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Re: Pelican Terrace, Speenhamland, Newbury
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 31 January 18 00:34 GMT (UK) »
'Lloyd George' & Cosburn's 1912 directory. Can't both be right, quite possibly both wrong!
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