Christiana Munro, daughter of John and Margaret. Who were they?

[majm]

The Anglican Parish Office in Singleton (Whittingham is now a suburb) advises that registers prior to 1856 do not exist. Perhaps destroyed or never done.
The long list of Eversons mentioned are not "mine".
There were two books written about the Eversons.
1. The Everson families: a family history and genealogical record of the Everson families from the lower Macleay River districts / compiled by Phillip Everson.
2. The Everson story / compiled by Dot McDonald.
Neither of these books deal with my line, emanating from Edward Everson & Christy Munro.

Whoever has given you the info that there was no register for the combined three parishes (known as 'MR' in the NSW BDM codes)  prior to 1856 has a poor understanding of the system. 

   Firstly, the record that the NSW BDM has based its documentation on is actually from those Early Church Records .... so the clergyman named on that document obviously kept his register.
 
     Secondly, the Anglicans Eccs. regulations forbid the destruction of the registers, accepting of course that exceptions include they may be destroyed by floods, fire etc. And noted in the next replacement register the reason for its start date etc ...  But in general terms, two concurrent registers were maintained by the clergy, and for outlying districts (eg 1840s,) the clergy were then required to transmit their entries on a quarterly basis so that the Diocese and the NSW Chaplains (ie Sydney) received the summary info.   

   Re the two concurrent registers ... the officiating clergy kept these, in two separate locations ... eg in saddle bag when on circuit duties, and back at residence/vicarage ... hopefully in a fire proof chest. 

   When a parish register is 'full'it is meant to be forwarded to the Diocese office ... hence my suggestion that you consider going through the flickr images I have previously mentioned, or contact the Uni of Newcastle via email ....  It may well be months before I get to visit there. 

   The clergy kept 'cheat sheets'on their 'flock' and there's examples of the C of E family sheets .... one of the headings on these specifically sought the MAIDEN NAME of the wife of the head of the household and her parents too.  If Edward EVERSON was noted in the document, then the clergy would have sought not just his wife's maiden name BUT also HER MOTHER's maiden name.      You have the name of the clergy on the marriage cert  and the parish in which he married the couple. 

JM

[majm]

Re The chap that kept an eye on the lass on the Lady McNaughton, Donald McDonald ...  A single woman aged 24 would not need to be related to that family to have been chaperoned by them, perhaps arranged by the Immigration Agent ... they may have been unknown to each other prior to seeking passage to a new country. 

may I suggest that it would be sensible for you to consider following up on the man that Christy MUNRO was employed by on her arrival ... H P DUTTON Esq.   He was in the Hunter district.

JM

[majm]

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Edward EVERSON married Christiana MUNRO, 1840, you have the NSW BDM record for that, ie CofE Oakville, Whittingham, Wollombi
Francis B O’BRIEN married Christiana MUNRO 1846  Vol 30B, line 626  ie CofE, Oakville; Whittingham; Wollombi
Josiah PATMORE married Christina MUNRO 1843.  VOLUME 76, line 1759  JN ie, Presbyterian, Parramatta.

So two of the marriages were Church of England, and in the County of Northumberland, and in ONE of three parishes (either Oakville, or Whittingham or Wollombi)

https://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/Pages/family-history/family-history.aspx   left hand menu:

https://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/Pages/family-history/early-church-codes.aspx

JM

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8.       Over the years that I have investigated the two Munro girls, “A member of Donald McDonald family”, although I have my beliefs and views on their ancestry, I have failed to find ‘primary’ evidence to support my views and beliefs.  Without primary evidence, I am not prepared to state my beliefs as to their ancestry.

Three lasses 

The JN represents PRESBYTERIAN at Parramatta ... it is entirely possible that the lass marrying in 1843 is the lass on the Lady McNaughton in Jan 1839 ...  rather than a lass marrying in the Church of England.

JM

[majm]

Rev Robert Thorley BOLTON,  (the clergy named on the 1840 m.c. EVERSON = MUNRO, ... and the one who recorded those details in the parish register,)

  he was born Narva Russia 1803 died 12 August 1881 at Dadford Stowe, UK.  He arrived to NSW  in July 1839 per the Strathfieldsaye. 

  He resigned as minister at Wittingham on 7 August 1840 and became minister at Hexham and Alnwick 28 October 1840, to which was added Woolombi on 5 July 1843.   

  He resigned from the Diocese of Newcastle (all the above parishes fall within that Diocese)  in 1862, and returned to England, where he became the incumbent at Padbury, Buckinghamshire.


http://anglicanhistory.org/aus/cci/  pdf with over 3000 pages of biographical info on Anglican clergy in Australia (earliest in NSW from 1788)


   I cannot guarantee that his first set of NSW parish registers will be at the Uni of Newcastle holdings, but I cannot see any reason for them NOT being there.  There are hundreds of digitised images of the parish registers for the Christ Church Cathedral readily available, on line, dating back to around 1829, these include images of clergy records from outlying parishes, clergy on circuits, definitely not just ceremonies at Hexham.  As this is now a very long thread, with many of the minor threads now merged, I will re-post the live link to RChat's NSW Resources Board, and the live link found there to the digitised images for Christ Church Cathedral, including family sheets and also baptisms, burials, marriages.


NSW Resources : http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=369703.0

And from scrolling through reply #2 at that NSW Resources link:

Baptisms, Marriages, Burials, Christ Church Cathedral, Newcastle
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157606066769147/ 1820 – 1899 Family Register
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157605008173551/ 1826 – 1837 Baptisms, Marriages, Burials
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157604433014652/ 1837 – 1838 Baptisms, Marriages, Burials
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157605132739200/ 1839 – 1861 Baptisms, Marriages, Burials
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157605674610949/ 1856 – 1868 Marriages Register
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157605785759029/ 1869 – 1885 Marriages Register
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157605802132868/ 1885 – 1897 Marriages Register
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157606197590347/ 1899 – 1913 Marriages Register
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157605928662968/ 1913 – 1914 Marriages Register
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157606308436455/ 1914 – 1916 Marriages Register
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157606323070651/ 1916 – 1918 Marriages Register
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157606450662513/ 1918 – 1929 Marriage Register
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157606952230042/ 1929 – 1936 Marriages Register


JM

[majm]

 

I am sure we all understand that your confirmed ancestor is Mr EVERSON, and you have found his marriage in 1840, in NSW, and you are seeking to establish which Christiana MUNRO/E was his wife, so you can go back through her ancestors too.   

Some background info re NSW marriages in the penal era, 1788-1840 ... remembering that there was NOT EVER any legislation that directed there ought to be an Established Church in NSW.  No English statutelaw introduced from 19 July 1823 was effective in NSW (so all of what is now WA, NT, Qld, SA, Vic, ACT, New Zealand, and NSW) UNLESS the English Act specifically nominated it as effective in those 'territories'... (Refer Sir Francis Forbes, NSW Chief Justice at the time).
 

Sydney Gazette 22 December 1810 https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/628150
(the NSW Governor) enjoins the ... Principal and Assistant Chaplains ... to keep or cause to be kept exact Registers of all Marriages, Christenings, Churching of Women, and Funerals which they may in future perform, and make a correct Return thereof once in every Quarter, to the Secretary’s Office at Sydney; and said Registers are required to contain the Marriages, Christenings, Churchings, and Funerals as well of all Convicts and Prisoners as of Free Persons...   

So basically, the clergy of any denomination was expected to at least transmit a summary of the baptisms, burials and marriages they conducted to their superiors, who in turn were to forward information onto the civil authorities, so that England could forward funds to NSW based on a per capita calculation.  Not all the clergy from any denomination obeyed these civil admin requirements.  But I am quite sure that for NSW BDM to actually have that 1840 m.c. in their holdings, vol 24, line 635, of 1840, that they received it as part of the handover in the 19th century when NSW Registrar General made a general request.   See the following https://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/Pages/index.aspx  scroll down to : ABOUT and click on the live link:"https://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/Pages/about-us/history-of-the-registry.aspx   Noting also that 'MR' is the 'district' for around 34 marriages in 1840, commencing at line 635. 

   State Archives
https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/collections-and-research/guides-and-indexes/births-deaths-and-marriages-registers-1787-1856
Between 1826 and 1855 copies of Church of England records were required to be sent firstly to the Registrar of the Archdeacon's Court and later to the Registrar of the Bishops of Australia. These records did not pass into the possession of the Registrar General until 1882 following the Clergy Returns Transfer Act of 1878. They were subsequently numbered as Volumes 1-44 (Volume 44 also includes some records after 1856).


JM

[gregperth]

Yet again, many thanks for the abundance of information. However, the parish secretary said the records for 1840 are missing, either destroyed, or simply not done, so there's not much I can do about that. Still waiting to hear back from the university (I wrote a week ago). Meantime, I will download the Flickr files (it says family records) and have a trawl through them.

[majm]

 

Yet again, many thanks for the abundance of information. However, the parish secretary said the records for 1840 are missing, either destroyed, or simply not done, so there's not much I can do about that. Still waiting to hear back from the university (I wrote a week ago). Meantime, I will download the Flickr files (it says family records) and have a trawl through them.

Clearly the records for 1840 are NOT missing. There's one set that NSW BDM has in its archives at NSW State Archives.   The Parish Secretary is likely a volunteer and perhaps not aware of the process back in pre civil registration, ie the transmittal of summary records through to the Diocese.   You are seeking the original parish registers (two off) used by Rev BOLTON, who after leaving Wittingham (in the County of Northumberland,) went to Hexham (in the County of Northumberland) and of course the main admin for the Diocese was and continues to be based from Christ Church at Hexham.     ADD, and at Morpheth. 

JM

[gregperth]

Well, looks like a trip to the NSW Library, if I ever get to Sydney.

[majm]

Well, looks like a trip to the NSW Library, if I ever get to Sydney.

 

NSW State Library contact details: http://www.sl.nsw.gov.au/research-and-collections/ask-librarian
You could ask them for assistance and explain you are Perth based. NSW State Archives were hived off NSW State Library many decades ago.

NSW State Library likely has ARK kit, so Reel 5006 is likely the one to start at.    


I see the ARK Kit is also available in Western Australia:
Western Australia
Library Board of Western Australia
Type: Public Library
Alexander Library Building, Perth Cultural Centre
PERTH WA 6000
https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/collections-and-research/guides-and-indexes/community-access-points-0

JM