Frederick Joseph Tucker married Esther Colgan - convert to RC

[Ladyhawk]

There is a Joseph Isaac Tucker b 1871 with mmn Foot.

1881 1162/122/16

Job Tucker   61 yrs
Hy. Tucker   17 yrs
Agnes Tucker 14 yrs
Joseph Tucker 9 yrs

Job dies soon afterwards. I can’t see this Joseph in later censuses.

In 1861 Job is in the military.

For info. not sure if this census detail was posted - apologies if I've duplicated

This appears to be Joseph Isaac Tucker’s parents on 1871 census Portsea Hampshire

22 Milton Road
Job Tucker 51 Crookham Labourer
Mary A 34 Dung? (Dungarvan) Ireland
Henry 7 Milton
Agnes 3 “
1871 RG10; Piece: 1130; Folio: 142; Page: 28

and birth entries of their children confirming mmn
 
Tucker HENRY  ESAN  mmn   FOOT     
1863  S Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND  Volume 02B  Page 423   
Henry died Dec 1881 Portsea Island  age 18

Tucker BENJAMIN  JACOB  mmn   FOOT    
1866  M Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND  Volume 02B  Page 487
Benjamin died Mar 1866 Portsea Island age 0

Tucker AGNES mmn Foot
1867 Sep Portsea Island vol 2b page 458

1861 census show two other children but have not found their birth entries to confirm mmn
2 Brighton St
Jobe Tucker 41 Somerset occ R M Artillery Gunner
Mary Ann 29 Tunbridge Kent
Mary age 12 Portsmouth
John age 9       “
1861 RG 9; Piece: 640; Folio: 90; Page: 34

possible medals

Job Tucker, Gunner
Medal or Award   Crimea Medal
Service Year   1845-1855
Service Location    Crimea
Campaign or Service   Crimean War
Ship Name   Britannia
and
Ship Name Royal Albert
UK, Naval Medal and Award Rolls, 1793-1972

[Miriam_90]

Thanks everyone. You all seem to be much better with the English records than I am.

I'm wondering about the names. The baptism record I found was dismissed because his father is listed as John instead of Joseph as it is on his marriage certificate. What do the same people think of the "Job" connection? I've certainly never seen Job in place of Joseph, as far as I was aware they are very different names.

I havn't been able to find another baptism record for Joseph Tucker. However the headstone gives an interesting tidbit I'd like to look into for Joseph Henry Tucker, his son. JH Tuckers great nephew may have had similar connections. . .

Hopefully I can visit my great gran soon and she can clear up a few things or at least point me in the right direction.

[dathai]

annclare reply 23 Joseph Isaac an Anglican
food for thought
http://www.differencebetween.net/miscellaneous/difference-between-anglican-and-catholic/

was also reading Catholic church's view on baptism modern day ?
If a person was baptised already in their own religion they cannot be rebaptised
which probably means if married in Catholic church they must agree to raise the children as Catholic
Have also seen over the years where the priest notes on childs baptism ''father a Protestant '' yet there is no apparent Catholic baptism of the father before the marriage
usually the result of this is sons raised as Protestants and daughters as Catholic

I am no authority on the subject of religion but these were my findings through Googling

[heywood]

Hi Miriam,

I have seen the two names interchanged on here but probably just mistranscriptions 
I did think of it because of course I had ‘proved’ my point by using John and also we now have Joseph Isaac instead of plain Joseph.
However  Job was a soldier as the marriage record. Despite Ladyhawk’s view, I still think that the 1891 Groom could be Joseph comparing other letter formations on the page which would tie place of birth and occupation.
I cannot link the Osbornes though which is a dilemma.

I also wondered, if this is your Joseph,  if the family knew of the names Isaac and Job in the family and that was where the ‘Jewish’ belief came from. I doubt that there was that connection but the use of biblical names might have influenced the idea.

Heywood

[heywood]

Hi dathai,

I think we knew already re Joseph being baptised C o E. The previous candidate - Frederick P was baptised as Anglican but we have his likely Catholic baptism on record.

I know that in the present day, there is a ceremony, not a baptism, rather a conditional baptism which is used  for those who have previously been baptised in another denomination but now accepting the Catholic faith.  Perhaps though several years ago, the sacrament was administered fully.
In this case though, Joseph may not know if he was baptised.

Just another point Miriam, your Joseph may well have attended daily Mass - many people still do