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Offline davidbappleton

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Re: CoA coloured?
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 06 February 18 15:32 GMT (UK) »
Do you know if the tongue of the lion's head Crest would have been red David? It doesn't say 'langued gules' in the description? Perhaps it should be blue really, as no other colour is mentioned apart from the azure?

The general rule of thumb is that unless specifically blazoned otherwise, the tongue (and eyes and claws) are red, except when the lion (or other animal) or the background it is on is red, in which case the tongue and eyes are blue.

You can see an example of this latter in the Royal Arms of Great Britain, where the golden lions on the red quarter and the red lion in the golden quarter generally have their tongues, eyes, and claws in blue.

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Re: CoA coloured?
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 06 February 18 15:37 GMT (UK) »
I'm sure to be corrected here but I think I read somewhere that 3 lions were only on a Coat of Arms if the family laid claim to Royal descent?

That is only true if the field is red and the three lions passant gardant are gold (that is, if it is the Royal Arms of England). Here, we have a black shield with three lions passant (but not gardant), and they are crowned. It's not the same arms as England, and is not a claim of royal descent.

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Re: CoA coloured?
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 06 February 18 18:17 GMT (UK) »
Thank you very much for clearing that up David.
A look at the Norfolk visitation gives Roger Fowler's (Anne Fowlers grandfather) family arms as 'Azure, on a chevron argent, between three lions passant-guardant or, as many crosses moline gules'
So the Fowler arms to an extent seem to have been added to the Mountfort arms and Anne herself as an Heraldic Heiress.
It also seems that when William dies, the older son inherits both his fathers and Mothers fathers arms and quarters them so I'm thinking a quartering of Bendy Argent and Azure then Three lions passant-guardant.

I can add the Red tongue at some point I'm sure, Unless Goldie wanted to put up an edited version of theirs :)

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Re: CoA coloured?
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 06 February 18 23:08 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for clearing up the colours for tongues, claws etc David.
Here is a red-tongued lion! :)
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Re: CoA coloured?
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 11 February 18 17:49 GMT (UK) »
I've managed to find the Children to William Mountfort Esq and Ann. My 11th grt grandfather William and his brother Sir Edward are listed on the Visitation of Staffordshire. It seems Edward being the Heir didn't Quarter the arms listed in the Warwickshire Visitation. Who ever supplied to the heralds (I'm assuming Edward did as he was the Current Lord of Bescot) is using the standard arms of Mountfort/Montfort which is a varying amount of Bendy. He also seems to have supplied a different crest. I assume to denote his branch?
My 10th grt grandmother is also listed on visitation Susanna Mountfort who marries my 10th grt grandfather George Clarkson.
Ireland - Callaghan, Martin, Monaghan, Gannon, Robinson
Leicestershire - Dudley, Elkington, Swynfen, Cotes, Bent, Towers, Kirby, Coleman
East Anglia - Bonnett, Gipp, Bowles, Rolph, Mackender, Rutterford, Howlett, Pammenter, Pettit, Flack, Larkins, King, Wagstaff