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Re: Christening of Thomas Rogers
« Reply #36 on: Wednesday 04 July 18 17:36 BST (UK) »
Hi Matt,

I'm well, hope you are too  :)

Glad you've made some progress with the Dourns, I look forward to hearing from you.

Claire

Quick update here.

I think I have possibly made a breakthrough with the Dourns/Dorns and also the Rogers/Rodgers - possibly taking both lines back aother generation. I'm putting a basic tree for each family together at the moment and will sned you copies to look at.

At the moment I am working on the following theory:

Peter Rogers [who married Elizabeth Dourne] was probably born in the late 1640s or mid 1650s [they married in 1671] - possibly earlier.

I think Peter may have been the son of Thomas Rogers who was born in Leaveland in 1631 [the son of Thomas and Judith Cheeseman].

It looks like this Thomas (Thomas snr who married Judith) was born in Leaveland in 1604 and was the son of Robert Rogers. Robert also had two other children:

Anne - born April 1602 Leaveland
Peter - born Oct 1606 Leaveland.

With regards to Judith Cheeseman I think I have found a possible christening for her:

"Judith Cheeseman - 19 Oct 1606 Throwley"

There are a lot of Chees[e]man/Cheez[e]man christenings between 1590 and 1619 - only on one of them is a father named but given how close the christenings are I suspect they are siblings.

Walter Cheesman - chr 5 Mar 1596 Throwley, Kent
Avrys Cheesman - chr 7 Mar 1598 Throwley, Kent
William Cheesman - chr 9 Nov 1600 Throwley, Kent
Arthur Cheesman - chr 9 Jan 1602 Throwley, Kent
Mary Cheeseman - chr 22 Feb 1604 Throwley, Kent
Judith Cheeseman - chr 19 Oct 1606 Throwley, Kent
Robert Cheeseman - chr 18 Oct 1607 Throwley, Kent
Robert Cheeseman - chr 7 Apr 1611 Throwley, Kent - son of John Cheeseman
Thomason Cheeseman - chr 24 Feb 1616 Throwley, Kent
Abraham Cheeseman - chr 30 Jan 1619 Throwley, Kent

As you can see only the Robert christened in 1611 has a father named, however I think these could all be siblings. There is a Will for John Cheeseman in the Archdeaconry of Canterbury dated 1616 which might help shed some more light on this.

Matt



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Re: Christening of Thomas Rogers
« Reply #37 on: Wednesday 04 July 18 23:26 BST (UK) »
Hi Matt,

I'm well, hope you are too  :)

Glad you've made some progress with the Dourns, I look forward to hearing from you.

Claire

Hi Claire

Second update here.

I haven't been able to work out if they are related to the Dourns in Throwley yet, but there are a set of christenings in Sellining:

Matthew Dourne - March 1601/02
Thomas Dourne - March 1601/02
John Dourne - April 1604
Elizabeth Dourne - January 1604/05
Thomas Dourne - September 1608
Marie Dorne - July 1612
Dennis Dourne [female] - January 1613/14

These are all described as the children of Henry Dourne. He may have been married twice (first to a woman named Dorothy [buried in 1610] and then to a woman named Dennis [buried 1617]) however this is only a theory based on the fact that I have found burials for two women described as "the wife of Henry".

It's possible that the Thomas born in 1608 here might be the one who married Dorothy Wyall, and therefore could in turn be the father of Elizabeth Dourne who was born in Stalisfield in 1639. Of course the Thomas who was born in Throwley in 1607 could still be the one who married Dorothy and could still be the father of Elizabeth and her siblings.

I have also found a marriage in 1640 for a Robert Merser, of Stalisfield, to Grace Wells of Hothfield. The marriage took place by licence and he was described as a widower. Interestingly the bondsman was one "William Doorne of Throwley" and it is possible that this is the William who was married to Godley Mercer. If that is the case then it is possible that Godley and Robert were siblings.

Anyhow I will stop there and give you time to digest all this. I have a few Wills to look at but hope to have an update next week.

Matt





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Re: Christening of Thomas Rogers
« Reply #38 on: Thursday 11 October 18 17:55 BST (UK) »
Hi Claire and Matt,
                            I too am descended from my namesake Peter Rogers through Peter and Elizabeth's son Joseph. I think Peter was probably the son of Thomas and Judith nee Cheeseman born during the 1640's at Leaveland during the Civil war period when unfortunately the registers weren't kept.

        I  believe that Peter was an Innkeeper at The Falcon, Leaveland opposite Badlesmere Lees.
 
        There are lots of entries for him in Throwley's Churchwardens and Overseers accounts during the 1670's and 80's including mention of his servant so he must have been well off for the time.

        Peter's wealth may have come through the Dourne family. Elizabeth must have been educated to some extent signing peter's inventory "Elizabeth Rogeares" in 1696. I agree that she was probably Joseph Dourne's niece but as you have found there were a few Dourne families in the area.
        I did find a Joseph Dourne of Molash and a Thomas Rogers of Biddenden  together in the calendar of assize records 1677 when they were part of a trial jury but I have doubts regarding this being our Thomas.

        I also have a tree that was sent to me some years ago from someone descending from your Thomas Rogers and Elizabeth Farly.

        I'm happy to share any of what I have, hopefully it will be of interest.

                                    Pete Rogers   

       


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Re: Christening of Thomas Rogers
« Reply #39 on: Thursday 11 October 18 18:09 BST (UK) »
Hi Pete,

Iím sure Matt is going to be thrilled to read your post. Brilliant information about Peter Rogers.

And welcome to RootsChat  :)

Claire
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Re: Christening of Thomas Rogers
« Reply #40 on: Friday 12 October 18 00:26 BST (UK) »
Hi Claire and Matt,
                            I too am descended from my namesake Peter Rogers through Peter and Elizabeth's son Joseph. I think Peter was probably the son of Thomas and Judith nee Cheeseman born during the 1640's at Leaveland during the Civil war period when unfortunately the registers weren't kept.

        I  believe that Peter was an Innkeeper at The Falcon, Leaveland opposite Badlesmere Lees.
 
        There are lots of entries for him in Throwley's Churchwardens and Overseers accounts during the 1670's and 80's including mention of his servant so he must have been well off for the time.

        Peter's wealth may have come through the Dourne family. Elizabeth must have been educated to some extent signing peter's inventory "Elizabeth Rogeares" in 1696. I agree that she was probably Joseph Dourne's niece but as you have found there were a few Dourne families in the area.
        I did find a Joseph Dourne of Molash and a Thomas Rogers of Biddenden  together in the calendar of assize records 1677 when they were part of a trial jury but I have doubts regarding this being our Thomas.

        I also have a tree that was sent to me some years ago from someone descending from your Thomas Rogers and Elizabeth Farly.

        I'm happy to share any of what I have, hopefully it will be of interest.

                                    Pete Rogers   

       

Hi cousin Pete

I haven't looked at the Rogers/Rodgers or the Dourns for a while as I have been trying to sort out some other lines but a lot of what you say sounds familiar and fits with my own findings and theories.

I have a copy of Elizabeth Rogers' 1712 Inventory but I haven't seen Peter's. Are you able to send me a copy of that?

I will end there as it's late but I will definitely be interested in any info you can share and seeing that tree would be great [I do have a Rogers tree but at the moment it's in 3 parts as I am not completely sure how it links up - this tree might help!].

If you'd like to see my Ro[d]gers Family Tree, send me your email in a PM and I will send it to you.

In the meantime I look forward to hearing from you, and as Claire said - welcome to Rootschat!

Matt