Author Topic: Stormont family (Ballygomartin, Shankill)  (Read 448 times)

Offline allister1964

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Stormont family (Ballygomartin, Shankill)
« on: Friday 02 February 18 11:32 GMT (UK) »
Is anyone else researching this family?  A distant relative of mine, Samuel Duffield married  Anne Stormont in 1834. She was the daughter of Thomas Stormont (1771-1855) who lived in the townland of Ballygomartin. Thomas may have had a sister named Sarah, who married William Bigger (born 1758) son of William Bigger and Mary Finlay. Is there any connection  to  the  Stormont estate in the townland of Ballymiscaw??

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Re: Stormont family (Ballygomartin, Shankill)
« Reply #1 on: Friday 02 February 18 15:38 GMT (UK) »
a Thomas Stormont is mention on the family search land assessment 1835

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ballygomartin also mention on:
http://www.belfasthills.org/history-culture/your-ancestors

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Re: Stormont family (Ballygomartin, Shankill)
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 03 February 18 20:13 GMT (UK) »

... Is there any connection  to  the  Stormont estate in the townland of Ballymiscaw??


The Stormont Estate was established by the Cleland family in the early 19thC, online references suggest that it got it's name from Stormont in Perthshire. if you google Reverend John Cleland and Stormont you should get back some relevant information.


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Re: Stormont family (Ballygomartin, Shankill)
« Reply #3 on: Monday 12 February 18 16:30 GMT (UK) »
Searching for Stormont (et al spelling) records in the Ballygomartin area. 
1970-74 Geographia map of Belfast with 10 digit isbn 0 09 200290  0 ie pub 1970-1974 quoting 114 Fleet st price 6 shillings 30p 114 Fleet st London. Scale 41/2 inches to one mile.  in the area of Monks Hill the Ballygomartin river sharply southwards after travelling west-east after and is joined by a unnamed tributary stream coming from beneath the Glencairn road. The Glencairn road at this very point has a unnamed road running northwards.  the the unnamed stream appears to exist on the east side of the road (modern google satellite)
Where the road nowdays appears to be a untarmaced gated earth lane. Moving up a quarter mile on the lane it leads to a building marked Stormount  which is drawn as 3 parallel narrow buildings leading into a triangular structure  the satellite view is of overgrown trees with possibility one roof partly visible, and a hint of another nearby building . the bigger building are marked Stormount on the map  a nearby spring turns into a stream running through the new Forth river estate and joining the forth river.

In the street directories in 1880 a ref’ to Stormont Farm and in 1890 to both Stormont Farm and Stormont Lodge. At this stage I think both are completely unrelated to the John Cleland Dundonald or his father Samuel, but in case I was wrong I noted down both as encountered.  overall the clues appear to lead to the Carmichael family taking over the Stormount farm and lodge in Ballygomartin
 items by date

1823 PRONI Public Record Office for Northern Ireland
PRONI Reference :   D665/41
Title :   Settlement release for 500 & 1,000 years
Dates :13 October 1823  Description :   Settlement....Rev. John Cleland, Stormount, Co. Down (Clerk), ....... 1st part; .. 2nd part; & said John Cleland, 3rd part; ..
1826 The TITHE APPLOTMENT BOOKS (1823-1838 see the irish genealogy hub for each parish
originals in PRONI
Stormont, G.-      Townland : Ballygomartin Year: 1826-Belfast-Antrim
Stormont, Saml.-   Townland : Ballygomartin Year: 1826-Shankill-Antrim
Stormont, T.-      Townland : Ballygomartin Year: 1826-Shankill-Antrim
Stormont, Saml., Jr.-   Townland : Edenderry Year: 1826-Belfast-Antrim
Stormont, James-   Townland : Legoneill Year: 1826-Shankill-Antrim
so we have 5 individual Stormontin neighbouring townlands . Was the division between Ballygomartin and Legoneil clear to enumerators if you look them up  in PRONI BELFAST they are in irish acres. 
Belfast Street directories 2 sources http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk and PRONI
1831 -2 Street directory
Stormont, Misses 43 North Street
Stormont T  painter and glazier 43 North Street
no Stormount entries
1835 Ewing Stormount Muslin manufacturer Ballymacarrett ie Co Down side of Belfast not listed 1841 Could Ewing might be the forerunner of the Ballygomartin
1835-1836 Matier's Belfast Directory Samuel Cleland esq Stourmount
1835 Stormont, James, painter and glazier, 50 North Street
1840 Samuel Cleland esq Stourmount Magistrate of Co Down
1850 1852 1858 Stormont, James, painter and glazier, 50 North Street
1861 Cleland, John, J.P., Stormount, Dundonald.
1863 Miss Stormont 108 Donegall Pass
Cleland, John, J.P., Stormount, Dundonald
1868 http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk 
Cleland, John, J.P., Stormount Castle
1877appendix index to villages etc
BALLYGOMARTIN Co. Antrim  Two miles from Belfast
Forth River National School, Ramsay, Samuel, teacher
Residents
Carmichael, Ralph
also Stormount Street, off Frank Street appears to be Castlereagh area co down
1880 BALLYGOMARTIN Co. Antrim  Two miles from Belfast
Forth River National School, Ramsay, Samuel, teacher
Residents
Carmichael, Mrs., Stormount
1890 BALLYGOMARTIN Co. Antrim Two miles from Belfast
Inhabitants
Carmichael, Thos. S., farmer, Stormount map ref 3 within ballygomartin with 35 acres valued at more than some so good land, and a house valued at £7pa above average the land has a tree lined drive up to a long thin house the drive goes on northwards of the house and peters out. 
Colville, Alex., labourer, Stormount Lodge  I tried searching for Alex Colvilles lodge in the revision books online at PRONI ran out of time
I have more if anyone interested eg griffiths valuation and notes about the migration 1739 with rev Martin etc and good source ancestryireland for bmds but requires credits for detail.and some notes on likely relatives in census
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