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Grasping at straws fourth line down on "Where born"
« on: Saturday 03 February 18 21:31 GMT (UK) »
The fourth line down on "Where born" is supposedly the birthplace of my great grandmother. It has been indexed as "Manchester, Lancashire." She was a servant in this household. As far as I can tell from other records, she did not know her exact place of birth, as the only other place given never existed.

It looks to me as if her birthplace has been erased on this record, if that is possible in 1891. I don't know what the line or the markings on the line might mean. Does anyone here know? Would you consider her place of birth Manchester as well?

Thank you

 

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Re: Grasping at straws
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 03 February 18 21:48 GMT (UK) »
I  don't think it has been erased, I think that it is two " used to denote same has above
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  WILSON;-Wiltshire.
 SOUL;-Gloucestershire.
 SANSUM;-Berkshire-Wiltshire
 BASSON-BASTON;- Berkshire,- Oxfordshire.
 BRIDGES;- Wiltshire.
 DOWDESWELL;-Wiltshire,Gloucestershire
 JORDAN;- Berkshire.
 COX;- Berkshire.
 GOUDY;- Suffolk.
 CHATFIELD;-Sussex-- London
 MORGAN;-Blaenavon-Abersychan
 FISHER;- Berkshire.
 BLOMFIELD-BLOOMFIELD-BLUMFIELD;-Suffolk.
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Re: Grasping at straws
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 03 February 18 21:51 GMT (UK) »
I agree it does look as though it has been dittoed  without using ‘Do’.

Do you want to give her name and any other census you have for her? It might help.
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Re: Grasping at straws
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 04 February 18 02:57 GMT (UK) »
The other census I have is the: 1901 census

Annie Richards, age 25, domestic servant, birth place Hythe, Lancashire.

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Re: Grasping at straws
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 04 February 18 07:42 GMT (UK) »
My first thought would be Hyde, Stockport registration district but that would most likely be Cheshire.
As she is in Liverpool, there is Huyton  ???

Here is the reference for anyone searching.
1901/3420/70/9

And 1891 36/166

Are you sure both censuses refer to the same woman?
What happened to her after 1901?

You could try Liverpool Archives re Workhouse records
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Liverpool/#Records

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Re: Grasping at straws
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 04 February 18 08:16 GMT (UK) »
You say she is your great grandmother which implies that she married.  Do you know whom she married and when?

You presumably worked backwards from yourself to get to her.

If a marriage record can be found that would hopefully give a father's name.

Have you found her in the 1911 census?
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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Re: Grasping at straws fourth line down on "Where born"
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 04 February 18 16:05 GMT (UK) »
My grandfather was an illegitimate child. He and Annie lived in the workhouse until he was adopted at the age of 6. I appreciate the research help, but I'm only here to ask about this particular record as I have hired Liverpool researchers who are scratching their heads, and have gone through every Annie Richards born in England around her age and followed them through their lifespan to see if they could possibly be her. This record is one of only a handful that I can't pinpoint to a particular Annie. My only real hope is to find her via DNA matches as I have worn out any possible paper trail. Luckily with DNA, I am much closer to finding her.

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Re: Grasping at straws fourth line down on "Where born"
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 04 February 18 16:23 GMT (UK) »
Have you had any luck with Liverpool Workhouse records?
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Re: Grasping at straws fourth line down on "Where born"
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 04 February 18 17:55 GMT (UK) »

Re: the form that you have posted,

I have some Census entries with a 'D' or 'Do' below the Birth place given on the line above. I have interpreted this to mean 'Ditto' or 'Same'.

I might be wrong of course... in which case, I will need to revisit the Entries that I am thinking of!

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