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Help suggestions for Elizabeth Massey
« on: Sunday 04 February 18 16:24 GMT (UK) »
Trying to find what happened to Elizabeth Massey i have her on the 1861 census RG9/1996 Folio 55 Davis Buildings , Wolverhampton aged 3 yrs along  with parents James and Isabella and sibling Isabella she is not on the 1871 census with them and i cannot find a death record that fits for inbetween these census ??? ??? any help or suggestions gratefully recieved
           
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Re: Help suggestions for Elizabeth Massey
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 04 February 18 16:35 GMT (UK) »
Could this be her?

1871
RG10; Piece: 2939; Folio: 136; Page: 7
Wolverhampton
26 Wharf Street


John Fieldhouse           45  Forge manager                       Bilston, Staffordshire
Mary Fieldhouse           17 daughter                                 Wolverhampton
Sarah Fieldhouse   10 daughter                                 Wolverhampton
Clara Fieldhouse   8   daughter                                 Wolverhampton
Enna J Fieldhouse   5   daughter                                 Wolverhampton
Alfred Fieldhouse   3   son                                         Wolverhampton
Elizabeth Massey   13  domestic servant                     Wolverhampton
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Re: Help suggestions for Elizabeth Massey
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 04 February 18 16:38 GMT (UK) »
In 1871, is she the 13 year old servant in the household of John Fieldhouse at Wharf Street, Wolverhampton?
HELP!!!

 BATHSHEBA BOOTHROYD bn c. 1802 W. Yorks.

Baptism nowhere to be found. Possibly in a nonconformist church near ALMONDBURY or HUDDERSFIELD.

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Re: Help suggestions for Elizabeth Massey
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 04 February 18 17:03 GMT (UK) »
Jillruss and groom ..thank you for that i am trying to solve a bit of a mystery Elizabeths mother Isabella died in 1866..her father James remarried in 1867 (just dawned on me he remarried a year after isabellas death  ::) ::) ) i know that by 1881  James and Martha (his 2nd wife )     along with Isabella and a son also James had moved to Yorkshire ..so would that have been the norm to leave a child behind ?Well i guess its possible that Elizabeth married and remaind in the Woverhampton area but untill i discoverd her on the 1861 census no one in the family knew about her , so its made me even more intrigued..  Sorry if i sound silly but i have been trying to knock down walls with this family ..iwhen James married Martha she was a widow and i/v been unble to find details of her 1st marriage  :( :(  its one mystery after another  ::) ::)

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Re: Help suggestions for Elizabeth Massey
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 04 February 18 17:25 GMT (UK) »
when James married Martha she was a widow and i/v been unble to find details of her 1st marriage  :( :(  its one mystery after another  ::) ::)


I see that James & Martha have a son named James born c1870 Wolverhampton

GRO indexes give mmn - this might be his birth entry

James MASSEY mmn LANE
1870  M Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON  Volume 06B  Page 553

I see from the census that Martha was born c1829 in Shropshire

I don't know about this marriage entry might be worth a look.......... surname is Nickless not Nicholls  ???

Mar 1854 Wellington Salop
Martha LANE
Male name on same page
Thomas NICKLESS

Wellington Salop is an alternative name for Wellington Sal and it is in the county of Shropshire








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Re: Help suggestions for Elizabeth Massey
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 04 February 18 17:49 GMT (UK) »
I forgot to ask  as you mention that Martha was a widow::)

Do you actually have the 1867 marriage certificate for James Massey to Martha Nicholls
confirming her father's name?

If not, I think it's available to view on F M P, sorry I don't have a subscription to look for you

St John Wolverhampton, denomination Anglican
Martha Nicholls born 1829
James Massey born 1828
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Re: Help suggestions for Elizabeth Massey
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 04 February 18 18:26 GMT (UK) »
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along with Isabella and a son also James had moved to Yorkshire ..so would that have been the norm to leave a child behind ?

If we have the right Elizabeth, she obviously wasn't living at home in 1871, so had been put out to service at quite a young age. Perhaps it was a case of not getting on with her stepmother  - not unknown. A similar thing happened with my grandmother although she was a couple of years older.
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Re: Help suggestions for Elizabeth Massey
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 04 February 18 19:26 GMT (UK) »
I forgot to ask  as you mention that Martha was a widow::)

Do you actually have the 1867 marriage certificate for James Massey to Martha Nicholls
confirming her father's name?

If not, I think it's available to view on F M P, sorry I don't have a subscription to look for you

St John Wolverhampton, denomination Anglican
Martha Nicholls born 1829
James Massey born 1828

Marriage transcription free to view here - unfortunately no father's name listed
http://www.wolverhamptonhistory.org.uk/resources/indexes
Wolverhampton & District Female Marriages 1834-1903 Gi-Pa

NICHOLLS Martha 38 w 22 Apr 1867 Bilston Road, father's name ……, father's trade ……, MASSEY James B St.John

and here on FreeReg
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lh9/ 
Robbins - Wolverhampton.
Spooner - Monmouthshire & Wolverhampton.
Warner & Loundes - Dudley/West Bromwich.
Dod(g)son - Heysham/Liverpool/Wolverhampton

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Re: Help suggestions for Elizabeth Massey
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 04 February 18 19:52 GMT (UK) »
RE Martha I note her pob varies in the censuses; Bridgenorth in 1871, Dawley Green in 1881 and Shropshire NK in 1891.  There is the following 1861 census in Wolverhampton

Thomas Nicholls 45 puddler b Ketley
Martha Nicholls  32 b Dawley
Hannah Lane Widow 72 b Dawley
Maria Lane 40 unm b Dawley
Samuel  Lane 15 b Dawley

The writing is poor and difficult to make out the relationships but a Martha Lane b 1829 can be identified in the 1841 census living at Dawley Green - Maria and samuel are there in the 1851 census.

(Ketley, Dawley and Dawley Green are all in the East Shropshire Coalfield, part of modern day Telford New Town).

William
Dent (Haltwhistle and Sacriston), Bell and Jetson (Haltwhistle), Postle, Ward, Longstaff, Purvis, Manners, Parnaby and Hardy (Co. Durham), Kennedy and McRobert (Banffshire), Reid(Bathgate), Watson (Wemyss), Graham (Libberton), Sandilands (Carmichael), Munro (Dingwall)