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Wadia GABRIEL and 5 Generations - what date is this photo please?
« on: Monday 05 February 18 12:54 GMT (UK) »
This photo is said to show five generations in a direct female line.

Please could folk suggest a date when it was taken?

Any guesses for the age of the girl?

I might then be able to have a stab at a couple of identities.

many thanks
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Cornwall - John Henry Grigg born c 1839 where?
Hants - Hine/Hind
South Oxon - Barlow Fryzer Simmonds Toby
Suffolk - Philpott Stone
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Re: Wadia GABRIEL and 5 Generations - what date is this photo please?
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 06 February 18 17:16 GMT (UK) »
May I enquire as to their possible nationalities? That might help establish a date more accurately.
Thomas, Davies, Jones, Walters, Daniel in Carmarthenshire and Ceredigion. That should narrow it down a bit!
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Re: Wadia GABRIEL and 5 Generations - what date is this photo please?
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 06 February 18 17:33 GMT (UK) »
Hi Steve

1890s and little girl maybe 4 or 5.


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Re: Wadia GABRIEL and 5 Generations - what date is this photo please?
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 06 February 18 18:16 GMT (UK) »
diplodicus - I assume the three ladies in black are Syrian, but I don't know a thing about them.
The young girl, Lily Gabriel (pronounced "Djabrill"), was born in Withrington, Manchester. Her mother Wadia Gabriel nee Esper was born in Damascus, but became British when she married in 1890 ; her husband Joseph had became a naturalised citizen in 1889. 

Gadget - on the nail as always!

Lily was born in 1892, so can we say 1896 or 1897 for the photo? 
Her mother was born 1873, so aged 23 or 24 here?

Berks - Appleton Barlow Bartholomew Carter/Cook Corderoy Coxhead Froud Fryzer Griffin Head Noke Richmond Salter Sawyer Shrimpton Sidwell Stratton Wernham
South Bucks - Miller Mitchell Horton
Cornwall - John Henry Grigg born c 1839 where?
Hants - Hine/Hind
South Oxon - Barlow Fryzer Simmonds Toby
Suffolk - Philpott Stone
Surrey Edwards Knight Lanaway

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Re: Wadia GABRIEL and 5 Generations - what date is this photo please?
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 06 February 18 22:19 GMT (UK) »
I agree with Gadget's estimates late 1890s going by the big sleeves of the lady at the back.
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Re: Wadia GABRIEL and 5 Generations - what date is this photo please?
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 07 February 18 09:25 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Carol - it's lovely to establish confirmation of these handed down photos and stories.
Berks - Appleton Barlow Bartholomew Carter/Cook Corderoy Coxhead Froud Fryzer Griffin Head Noke Richmond Salter Sawyer Shrimpton Sidwell Stratton Wernham
South Bucks - Miller Mitchell Horton
Cornwall - John Henry Grigg born c 1839 where?
Hants - Hine/Hind
South Oxon - Barlow Fryzer Simmonds Toby
Suffolk - Philpott Stone
Surrey Edwards Knight Lanaway

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Re: Wadia GABRIEL and 5 Generations - what date is this photo please?
« Reply #6 on: Friday 09 February 18 07:22 GMT (UK) »
Thought they deserved a tidy.
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Re: Wadia GABRIEL and 5 Generations - what date is this photo please?
« Reply #7 on: Friday 09 February 18 08:11 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Peter - that's very kind and much appreciated.

The photo I have is just over A4 size and seems to have lost definition, possibly due to being enlarged (?)
Berks - Appleton Barlow Bartholomew Carter/Cook Corderoy Coxhead Froud Fryzer Griffin Head Noke Richmond Salter Sawyer Shrimpton Sidwell Stratton Wernham
South Bucks - Miller Mitchell Horton
Cornwall - John Henry Grigg born c 1839 where?
Hants - Hine/Hind
South Oxon - Barlow Fryzer Simmonds Toby
Suffolk - Philpott Stone
Surrey Edwards Knight Lanaway

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Re: Wadia GABRIEL and 5 Generations - what date is this photo please?
« Reply #8 on: Friday 09 February 18 09:53 GMT (UK) »
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The photo I have is just over A4 size and seems to have lost definition, possibly due to being enlarged (?)

Not too technically minded, Steve, but possibly the original was quite faded with age and the enlarged one shows up the damage/fading more than the smaller original does. If not that I guess it must have been something in the way the enlarged version was made.
Peter
Convicts: COSIER (1791); LEADBEATER (1791); SINGLETON (& PARKINSON) (1792); STROUD (1793); BARNES (aka SYDNEY) (1800); DAVIS (1804); CLARK (1806); TYLER (1810); COWEN (1818); ADAMS[ON] (1821); SMITH (1827); WHYBURN (1827); HARBORNE (1828).
Commoners: DOUGAN (1844); FORD (1849); JOHNSTON (1850); BEATTIE (& LONG) (1856); BRICKLEY (1883).
Outlaws: MCGREGOR (1883) & ass. clans, Glasgow, Glenquaich, Glenalmond and Glengyle.