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Offline Paulo Leeds

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Help! with relative using different names
« on: Monday 05 February 18 17:54 GMT (UK) »
The person in question is one William L G Beevers, born to Cornelia Beevers (née Ringstead) in 1913 in Leeds.

Cornelia married a William T Garforth in 1915.

The first attachment is the younger William's birth certificate (1913) where he is listed as William L Garforth and a line is drawn through the part about the father.

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The second attachment is Cornelia's death certificate. The informant is listed as W Beevers (son).

[Imgur]http://(https://i.imgur.com/Z5TrASb.jpg)

Can anyone help as to why he would have in 1935 put his name down as Beevers, when on his birth certificate it is Garforth. He was certainly born out of wedlock, and possibly to a different man to the one his mother married 2 years later.

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Re: Help! with relative using different names
« Reply #1 on: Monday 05 February 18 17:59 GMT (UK) »
A warm welcome to rootschat  :).

No attachments as yet......

Deleted misunderfstood the situation  :-[
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent, death Ralph James Dunn b 1808 1861 - 1868 in Newington 1861
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Help! with relative using different names
« Reply #2 on: Monday 05 February 18 18:02 GMT (UK) »
added (working) links  ::)

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Re: Help! with relative using different names
« Reply #3 on: Monday 05 February 18 18:07 GMT (UK) »
My interpretation is :
The column of birth certificate with his name is his FORENAME William L Garforth SURNAME will be that of his parent BEEVERS. Cornelia probably added Garforth to William jnr's forenames to indicate his father, who she later married although William jnr did not take his surname.

ADDED: Here's his birth registration from https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp
BEEVERS, WILLIAM  LAWRENCE GARFORTH    Mother's maiden name RINGSTEAD     
GRO Reference: 1913  S Quarter in LEEDS  Volume 09B  Page 662

Strangely I don't see a Ringstead/Beevers marriage?
Only this
Marriages Sep 1887 
GILLISPIE    Alice        Chorlton    8c   969    
JACKSON    William        Chorlton    8c   969    
MORRIS    George        Chorlton    8c   969    
RINGSTEAD    Cornelia        Chorlton    8c   96

ADDED again:
Ahhh - George Morris died 1896 & Cornelia married William Fenton Beevers in
Marriages Dec 1899
Beevers    William Fenton        Salford    8d   172    
Morris    Cornelia        Salford    8d   172
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent, death Ralph James Dunn b 1808 1861 - 1868 in Newington 1861
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Help! with relative using different names
« Reply #4 on: Monday 05 February 18 18:12 GMT (UK) »
The marriage was 1915 - Cornelia Beevers and William Garforth (her 3rd husband)

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Re: Help! with relative using different names
« Reply #5 on: Monday 05 February 18 18:17 GMT (UK) »
Yes, I was looking to see how she was Beevers....
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent, death Ralph James Dunn b 1808 1861 - 1868 in Newington 1861
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Help! with relative using different names
« Reply #6 on: Monday 05 February 18 18:22 GMT (UK) »
Yeah :) 

so you wouldn't put someone's surname in the Birth Certificate box under "Name" ?

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Re: Help! with relative using different names
« Reply #7 on: Monday 05 February 18 18:25 GMT (UK) »
Short answer - no!! If you live in England/Wales - have you got your own birth certificate to look at?
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent, death Ralph James Dunn b 1808 1861 - 1868 in Newington 1861
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Help! with relative using different names
« Reply #8 on: Monday 05 February 18 18:29 GMT (UK) »
he was known by the surname Garforth to people throughout his life so must have assumed that name on account of the man his mother married when he was 2.

We are still unsure as to whether this man would have been the biological father or not, and may never know I guess.

Would he have encountered difficulties with electoral roll and general officialdom (getting a bank account/house etc...) by not using his Birth Certificate name do you think?

Also, why do you think on the birth certificate the box about Father is crossed out?