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Re: Help! with relative using different names
« Reply #9 on: Monday 05 February 18 18:29 GMT (UK) »
The three names in the same column are all three of his full forenames.
His surname is his mother's surname, Beevers.

He was always Beevers, you've just "misread" it by seeing Garforth and thinking "that looks like a surname, so that must be his 2 forenames and 1 surname, when it's his 3 forenames.
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Re: Help! with relative using different names
« Reply #10 on: Monday 05 February 18 18:31 GMT (UK) »
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Re: Help! with relative using different names
« Reply #11 on: Monday 05 February 18 18:36 GMT (UK) »
In those days, documentary evidence was rarely required for anything.

No father would be entered on the birth certificate if a child was illegitimate UNLESS the father was present at the registration. The child would be assumed to have the surname of his mother if married [even children born several years after the death of their mother's husband [if not remarried] took the name of the mother's deceased husband. The registrar only wrote down what he was told.

Here's an example of a birth certificate for a Samuel Rowlands showing no surname in Name column.
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent, death Ralph James Dunn b 1808 1861 - 1868 in Newington 1861
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Help! with relative using different names
« Reply #12 on: Monday 05 February 18 18:44 GMT (UK) »
Thankyou, so in this case we must assume that William Garforth snr (whether the real dad or not) was not at the birth/registration and Cornelia must have intended for her son to be known by the surname Garforth not Beevers and simply (as you say) put Garforth in as one of her son's "middle" names.

Would he have encountered difficulties with electoral roll and general officialdom (getting a bank account/house etc...) by not using his Birth Certificate surname do you think?

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Re: Help! with relative using different names
« Reply #13 on: Monday 05 February 18 18:47 GMT (UK) »
As I said before:
In those days, documentary evidence was rarely required for anything.
And one's name is what one is commonly known as - as long as there is no intention to defraud, you can be known by a name of your own choosing.
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent, death Ralph James Dunn b 1808 1861 - 1868 in Newington 1861
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Help! with relative using different names
« Reply #14 on: Monday 05 February 18 18:52 GMT (UK) »
Fair enough.

When (roughly) do you think that all changed?

I imagine someone born today would have a lot more difficulty in just adopting a surname of their choosing in such a way?

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Re: Help! with relative using different names
« Reply #15 on: Monday 05 February 18 18:54 GMT (UK) »
Probably not until the 1940s/50s.
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent, death Ralph James Dunn b 1808 1861 - 1868 in Newington 1861
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Help! with relative using different names
« Reply #16 on: Monday 05 February 18 18:58 GMT (UK) »
I havn't seen the death certificate (1977), but would you imagine that it says Beevers even though he was known as Mr Garforth throughout his whole life?

Also, which site were you using in your first reply to track down the Beevers wedding please?

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Re: Help! with relative using different names
« Reply #17 on: Monday 05 February 18 21:22 GMT (UK) »
I havn't seen the death certificate (1977), but would you imagine that it says Beevers even though he was known as Mr Garforth throughout his whole life?
So he married as William L T Garforth
Marriages Sep 1937 
Garforth    William L T    Johnson    Leeds South    9b   
Johnson    Gladys    Garforth    Leeds South    9b   1384   
Death registered as Thomas William Garforth?
Deaths Dec 1977
GARFORTH    THOMAS WILLIAM    13JE1913    LEEDS    5   139
You could get a copy of this certificate as a .pdf for 6 from https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp

He may have discarded the name Beevers because he knew it was not his ancestry.

Also, which site were you using in your first reply to track down the Beevers wedding please?
All from freebmd.org - GRO indexes transcribed by hero volunteers.

Would he have encountered difficulties with electoral roll and general officialdom (getting a bank account/house etc...) by not using his Birth Certificate surname do you think?
Don't forget that till relatively people dealt in cash - were paid in cash, shopped with cash, and spent most of their income on living. They also rented property rather than buying & unlikely to have any savings/investment.

Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent, death Ralph James Dunn b 1808 1861 - 1868 in Newington 1861
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON