john carr and family puzzle

[ryan37]

trying to fill in a family tree and want to ask anyone opinion if i have the right the people

john carr (30) was married to my great grandmother mary eliza simpson (18) marriage 21-9-1915
at buckie farm, peterhead, making johns birth around 1885?



johns parents listed as alexander carr and bridget carr m/s chalmers (deceased) on wedding cert

they had a son william fowlie simpson carr born 1916 died on 27-9-43 - serving in indian theatre of war

birth cert for john carr found , born may 16th 1885, but is this the correct person? as father is william carr and mother is bridget carr m/s carr rather than chalmers mentioned in johns wedding cert date mentioned of parents wedding is 1879 parish of bonhill

i have found a marriage for a william carr (22) and bridget carr (19) dated 7th october 1878
at alexandria parish of bonhill


williams parents noted as Denis Carr deceased and Mary Carr m/s mclafferty

bridgets parents noted as james carr and mary carr m/s mclaughlin


i cant seem to find a record of death for john carr and am a bit confused with the chalmers in bridgets m/s at johns wedding


do you think i have the correct people?

and can anyone go back further or with more detail


many thanks

ryan

[ryan37]

just noticed an error johns father is alexander rather than william this making this even harder to solve

[rosie17]

What information does it give on the marriage for John Carr and Mary Eliza Simpson is the address for both at Buckie farm Peterhead ..Were any of the witnesses a relation ?

What was John's occupation ?   I do see a John Carr on the 1901 Census in Bonhill with a William and Bridget Carr occupation for this John is printfield worker

Rosie

[rosie17]

There at several trees online with a John Carr birth date 30 May 1885 Bonhill
Parents William Carr and Bridget Carr ....This John Carr was married to a Margaret Dolan

Rosie

[ryan37]

Hi Rosie will get in contact the tonight my info is not with me at work thanks for your input il send info this evening

Ryan

[ryan37]

What i Know about John Carr so far

marriage to mary eliza simpson was on 21st september 1915 at buckie farm peterhead

john is a merchant seamen age 30 - private 3rd batalion gordon highlanders

usual residence is Henderson's Wynd Dundee previously stationed at Stobs Camp

marys age is  18 -  residence is buckie farm peterhead

parents of john are Alexander Carr (bricklayer)
                             Bridget Carr m/s chalmers (deceased)

witness is william m cowie
and barbara simspon which i believe is an aunt of mary eliza simpson, which is her mother helen's younger sister i think


next info is

a birth cert for a son of john and mary eliza

william fowlie simpson carr

born april 24th 1916 at buckie farm boddam which is a village near peterhead

his father is john carr - seaman - 28766 pte
int carr btm royal scots

mother mary eliza carr
ms simpson

married on 21st september 1915

so i notice mary eliza would have been expecting the baby before marriage

i have a marriage cert for her second marriage to james smith ( my great grandfather )

its fairly quick in relation to first marriage as its august 3rd 1920 just short of 5 years betwwen first and second marriage

only other thing i can add is her son william  fowlie simpon carr was killed in september 1943 in burma serving in the indian theatre of war

i have seen a wedding cert for john carrs parents and it seems same people as iisted on first marriage cert

but i would like to find out john carr's exact date of birth and death and if he had any siblings

and possibly info on his mother bridgets birth and death

and same for father


many thanks ryan
 

[rosie17]

Was this a first marriage for John Carr ?..there is a John Carr born 1877 Dundee a different birth date from yours  his father was Alexander Carr occupation bricklayer mother Betsy Chalmers ..
This John was married to a Georgina Glen she died 11 June 1915  and he was also a seaman in the Gordon Highlanders if you send me a PM I will forward you her death certificate .

There is a good chance this is your John

Rosie

[Annette7]

When John married in 1915 he stated he was 30, his bride being just 18.   My gut feeling is that he was actually older than 30!

Alexander Carr married Betsy Chalmers in 1870 - In 1891 the family are in Dundee, and Alexander is a bricklayer.  However, whilst they did have a son John he was born in Dundee ca.1877/78!!!   On other records wife appears as Betsy but in 1891 she is shown as Bridget.   As Betsy Carr she died in 1912.   Alexander himself died 6/3/1920, bricklayer, widower of Betsy Chalmers.

So, I'm assuming that John had chopped a good few years off his age when he married his 18 year old bride, as he should have been 37/38!   This could be why you've had problems finding his death.   I suspect he was probably killed in WW1.

Annette

[rosie17]

 Annette exactly what I was thinking... I think getting the marriage for John Carr and Georgina Glen
1898 Dundee would be worth while

Rosie