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Re: john carr and family puzzle
« Reply #36 on: Friday 09 February 18 17:46 GMT (UK) »
Ryan check out this marriage old parish register 17/7/1854 Kilspindie
Janet Robb
Peter Fraser

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Re: john carr and family puzzle
« Reply #37 on: Friday 09 February 18 18:18 GMT (UK) »
That sounds about right ! Where would the Ferguson name on the death of son Alexander come in ? Strange the Ferguson is mentioned could that have been a mistaken ? And Janet Fraser is the one previously Carr we have been looking for ?

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Re: john carr and family puzzle
« Reply #38 on: Friday 09 February 18 18:35 GMT (UK) »
Looking at the image on the marriage the mothers name could well be mistaken for Ferguson


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Re: john carr and family puzzle
« Reply #39 on: Friday 09 February 18 19:08 GMT (UK) »
posted by wendy yeserday


You mentioned a child Robert born 1848 in the 1861 census or have I got the wrong one is the census for 1861 in Balquhidder that you think you have found Janet

Here's a long shot in 1861 in Dundee there is a Alexander Cary (that is how its spelled on Ancestry could be mistranscription) living with a Peter Fraser and his wife Janet Robb noted down as nephew to John Fraser in those days nephew could mean step son Both Alexander and janet are the right age and both born Perthshire didn't Alexander live in Dundee in later life Janet Fraser other name Robb died in the St Peters area of Dundee in 1871

Janet Robb and Peter Fraser married in Kilspinde in 1854

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Re: john carr and family puzzle
« Reply #40 on: Friday 09 February 18 19:09 GMT (UK) »

posted by wendy yesterday

On Ancestry if you search Alex Cary b1846 b Perthshire  it should come up the address is 1 Union Court Thorter Rose in Dundee Second District Janet has been recorded under her maiden name which not unusual is rare it was more commonally seen in the 1841 census Wendy

thanks wendy i will look into this

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Re: john carr and family puzzle
« Reply #41 on: Friday 09 February 18 21:04 GMT (UK) »
don't know if you have this but think I've found Andrew Alexander's older brother in 1841
At Errol Perthshire living with a Frances Anton occupation Tailor

Andrew is a Tailor J according to Ancestry transcription guessing this is where he learned his trade

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Re: john carr and family puzzle
« Reply #42 on: Friday 09 February 18 23:05 GMT (UK) »
Think I have traced Peter Fraser in the census
1851 in the parish of Abdie in Fife occupation Stone cutter
1861 in Dundee with Janet Robb (wife) and Alexander occupation Labrour
1871 Hawkhill Dundee  (same address as Janet's death cert occupation General Contractor Foreman ? )  occupation Stone cutter
1881 Mains Loan Dundee with wife Christian occupation Stone Quarrier

There's a death of a Peter Fraser in the St Andrews area (where Mains Loan is ) in 1888 age 69 Age is way out but if its him it may mention Janet as his first wife

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Re: john carr and family puzzle
« Reply #43 on: Friday 09 February 18 23:08 GMT (UK) »
Great info thanks so much will have a look at that tomorrow

Very thankful of your Efforts

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Re: john carr and family puzzle
« Reply #44 on: Sunday 11 February 18 09:17 GMT (UK) »
good morning folks

have sent rosie and wendy an email with certificates i have found


i found an ancestry tree with an ann carr

from here i found info on mothers death - janet robb

also i found that ann had been married 3 times before death ,

this gives us a death cert and 2 marriage certs as cant find her first one but got the 3 ,

because ann was born in 1826 this gives us a few years of certs


i think i have found the death of peter fraser appears he married another woman after janets death


i have found the birth cert of ann in old parish records

also i searched for alexanders and have found something i need help with


the birth date of 1842 adds up to alexander parents are john carr and mary haddon

is this the the key to why on alexanders death it has a different name


also with all these certs we have for charles and ann is it safe to say the name ferguson on alexanders wedding cert is a mistake

will send all certs including the 2 old parish births

hopefully i can get some help as its very hard for me to read this old writing


thanks ryan