Alfred James Barber 1863-1945 apprx. & Father Peter Barber DEPTFORD/Norfolk?

[Dundee]

The BARBER/CURSONS couple who married in 1848 in the Thetford district have children whose mother's maiden surname is recorded as COUSINS.  They had moved from Norfolk to Islington by 1861.

Debra 

[Ladyhawk]

Sorry It was Cursons not carson.

There were census records showing a Robert, Mary Ann, Alfred born in Yarmouth and William born in Deptford. Again I'm unsure if this is the correct family. But I'm fairly sure there was a brother William

Alfred James was living at 2 Stanton St Deptford before he was married, his witness was Sarah Ann Heath & Henry (unsure of surname)

I'm pretty sure I've seen the address 2 Stanton St somewhere recently..

It is easy enough to follow Robert BARBER's family through the census records.

He was living at 2 Staunton Street from1881 onwards.  If this is the address on Alfred's marriage cert then you have the correct family. 

All of the children have CORP as their mother's maiden surname on their birth registrations.

For info 1871 census

RG10; Piece: 745; Folio: 7; Page: 9;
Kent Terrace Deptford
Robert, Fireman on board steam ship
Mary Ann
Robert , Frederick , ALFRED 7, William

Alfred's marriage cert (on Anc'y) gives 2 Stanton Street as his address

Could this be their mother?

1851 HO107; Piece: 1806; Folio: 436; Page: 14
North Quay
Charles CORP 47 Hickling, Tailor
Mary Ann 49
Maria  dau 17
Mary Ann dau 24 dress maker
All others born Yarmouth

1841 HO107; Piece: 793;  Great Yarmouth Norfolk; ED 4; Folio: 28; Page: 12
South Road
Charles CORP 35 born Ireland, Tailor
Mary 35
Mary 11
Maria 6
all others born in this county


Mary Ann  Baptism 6 May 1826 Great Yarmouth, Norfolk
Father Charles CORP, Tailor  Mother Mary Ann

Maria Baptism 24th Feb Great Yarmouth, Norfolk,
father Charles CORP, Tailor mother Mary Ann

didn’t give a year on the page so went further back to January and the date on this page is
1834
Norfolk, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1915

[MazzyStar]

Sorry It was Cursons not carson.

There were census records showing a Robert, Mary Ann, Alfred born in Yarmouth and William born in Deptford. Again I'm unsure if this is the correct family. But I'm fairly sure there was a brother William

Alfred James was living at 2 Stanton St Deptford before he was married, his witness was Sarah Ann Heath & Henry (unsure of surname)

I'm pretty sure I've seen the address 2 Stanton St somewhere recently..

It is easy enough to follow Robert BARBER's family through the census records.

He was living at 2 Staunton Street from1881 onwards.  If this is the address on Alfred's marriage cert then you have the correct family. 

All of the children have CORP as their mother's maiden surname on their birth registrations.

For info 1871 census

RG10; Piece: 745; Folio: 7; Page: 9;
Kent Terrace Deptford
Robert, Fireman on board steam ship
Mary Ann
Robert , Frederick , ALFRED 7, William

Alfred's marriage cert (on Anc'y) gives 2 Stanton Street as his address

Could this be their mother?

1851 HO107; Piece: 1806; Folio: 436; Page: 14
North Quay
Charles CORP 47 Hickling, Tailor
Mary Ann 49
Maria  dau 17
Mary Ann dau 24 dress maker
All others born Yarmouth

1841 HO107; Piece: 793;  Great Yarmouth Norfolk; ED 4; Folio: 28; Page: 12
South Road
Charles CORP 35 born Ireland, Tailor
Mary 35
Mary 11
Maria 6
all others born in this county


Mary Ann  Baptism 6 May 1826 Great Yarmouth, Norfolk
Father Charles CORP, Tailor  Mother Mary Ann

Maria Baptism 24th Feb Great Yarmouth, Norfolk,
father Charles CORP, Tailor mother Mary Ann

didn’t give a year on the page so went further back to January and the date on this page is
1834
Norfolk, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1915

Thanks for this, I was thinking it could be Mary Ann. I did believe Robert and Mary Ann to be the Parents- I was just unsure due to the name changes. Claiming Peter is Alfred's Father then it's changed to Robert on all the census records made me a bit apprehensive!

[MazzyStar]

I Have found A Robert Barber (Mariner) who married Mary Ann Corp in Greenwich 1866 (They had their children before marriage? , not sure if that's correct?) Mary's father was Charles Page Corp and Robert's father was John Barber.

 Although,  I have found contradicting information on a tree that Alfred James' Parents was Robert Barber and Maria Corp. and Robert's parents were William James Barber b.1844 & Charlotte Clarke b.1843. However Roberts & Mary Ann's Marriage certificate states John Barber (blacksmith) is the father of Robert. 

[Ladyhawk]

I Have found A Robert Barber (Mariner) who married Mary Ann Corp in Greenwich 1866

(They had their children before marriage? , not sure if that's correct?)

Mary's father was Charles Page Corp and Robert's father was John Barber.
 

Is it possible that Robert Barber married both sisters? Children's mmn would still be CORP

Robert BARBER to Maria CORP
Both of this parish
Banns ? Jan, 18th, 25th  Jan 1857
Marriage Place:   Great Yarmouth, Norfolk
Can't see actual m/c on Anc*y to confirm

Did Maria Barber die?

There's this death GRO indexes give her age as 28 

BARBER, MARIA age     28     (born c 1837)
1865 S Quarter in GREENWICH  Volume 01D  Page 407   

EDIT

It does say that Robert Barber is a widower on 1866 marriage to Mary Ann Corp


   

[Ladyhawk]

Do you have  Robert Barber on the 1861 census?

[Ladyhawk]

This looks to be Robert & Maria on the 1861 census transcribed as BARLER 

Yard in ?
Robert BARBER Head 28 Norwich Norfolk,  stoker in steam vessel
Maria 26 Yarmouth
Mary A E dau 3
Robert son 1
Susanna HALL grand mother 87 formely stoker swife
Mary Ann Barber sister 16
RG 9; Piece: 1192; Folio: 68; Page: 10

BARBER, MARY  ANN ELIZABETH mmn   CORP 
1858  J Quarter in GREAT YARMOUTH  Volume 04B  Page 19

BARBER, ROBERT   mmn    CORP     
1859  D Quarter in YARMOUTH  Volume 04B  Page 18   

I have found contradicting information on a tree that
Alfred James' Parents was Robert Barber and Maria Corp.
and
Robert's parents were William James Barber b.1844 & Charlotte Clarke b.1843.

However Roberts & Mary Ann's Marriage certificate states John Barber (blacksmith) is the father of Robert. 

Here's Robert with his father John, blacksmith and he has a sister Mary Ann who's with him on the 1861 census posted above

Wee??s Square
John Barber 38 , blacksmith
Elizabeth 40 Attlebridge Norfolk
ROBERT 18
John 16
Mary A 5
All others born Norwich Thorpe
1851c HO107; Piece: 1813; Folio: 427; Page: 39

This looks to be Mary's birth entry on GRO index - entered twice same vol and page

BARBER, MARY  ANN  mmn   BAXTEN     
1847  M Quarter in NORWICH 
Volume 13  Page 258

BARBER, MARY  ANN  mmn   BAXTER 
GRO Reference: 1847  M Quarter in OF COSLANY IN THE CITY AND IN THE COUNTY OF THE CI  Volume 13  Page 258  Occasional Copy: B   

Lynch Green
John Barber 30 blacksmith
Elizabeth 25
John 6
ROBERT 7
All born in this county
1841c HO107; Piece: 777; Hethersett; County: Norfolk; ED: 9; Folio: 12; Page: 17

It might be worth checking the 1857 marriage for Robert Barber to Maria Corp
to confirm father's names