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Re: The Schauer family's Migration to New Zealand
« Reply #18 on: Tuesday 06 February 18 08:27 GMT (UK) »
How would one go about finding the death notice? I've also seen that Eleanor died in 1994. So findmypast would say.

I just emailed the man responsible for the accuracy of the Auckland museum records. Sourced as a researcher who added notes on John Fagan's father.

Hopeful it's John's son. Which would make him the 3rd John in a row. Or coincidence. I'm an optimistic kind of guy though.

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Re: The Schauer family's Migration to New Zealand
« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 28 February 18 05:45 GMT (UK) »
So I stumbled upon the old bible of Marie Schauer. There was a name in here I didn't recognise. Frederick William Shaw. Death 8 May 1936 aged 59 Ranwick Hospital, NSW. I looked up the BDM to see who the parents were.

Herman Julius and Annie.

The age has his born 1877, which is the same year Frederick William Schauer was born in Victoria. So it would have been her brother. So I finally know what happened to him. But I don't understand the name change? He had a wife Kathleen Mary Kirchhubel who died in Prahran, Victoria. And also a daughter named Marie Kathleen Schauer who died under her maiden name in 1974. So I think that line has died out. Maybe there was a divorce, or he ran away?

I still don't know what happened to Gustave Rudalph Schauer. He married Bertha Laura Watson 1922 in New Zealand. She apparently dies in Bass Hill, NSW in 1960. I still don't know what happened to Gustave.

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Re: The Schauer family's Migration to New Zealand
« Reply #20 on: Wednesday 28 February 18 06:00 GMT (UK) »
Perhaps he anglicised his name during WW1?
Farrell  - Ayrshire
Cairns - Ayrshire
McCann - Ayrshire
Brown - Ayrshire
Petty - Yorkshire, Durham
Lucas - Staffordshire, Durham
Whitaker - Yorkshire
Thackrah - Yorkshire
Stephenson - Durham
Marshall - Yorkshire
Walker - Staffordshire, Southland New Zealand
McCullough -  Antrim, Southland New Zealand,
Cavanagh - Galway, Southland New Zealand
Anthony - Tipperary, Southland New Zealand
Bath - Cornwall, Tasmania, Southland
Brungot - Alesund, Norway; Southland
Bonthron - Fifeshire, Southland

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Re: The Schauer family's Migration to New Zealand
« Reply #21 on: Saturday 03 March 18 03:07 GMT (UK) »
I believe you may be be right John. Though his wife and child kept by their old name, and they died down in Victoria. Strange! But I did read a newspaper article in NZ accusing the Schauer family of being German sympathizers and had to explain that they were all born in Australia. Schauer to Shaw makes sense.

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Re: The Schauer family's Migration to New Zealand
« Reply #22 on: Sunday 08 April 18 05:28 BST (UK) »
Not ‘apparently’: 26056/1960 SCHAUER Bertha Laura parents CHARLES HENRY and FLORA BANKSTOWN

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Re: The Schauer family's Migration to New Zealand
« Reply #23 on: Sunday 15 April 18 12:27 BST (UK) »
Hi Jamjar, That seem to be her. I'm not sure who did it, but I also found some names on a historical blog that noted that Bertha's birth was 24 Feb 1890 Wairau, NZ. Though I can't find her in the NZ bdm.

I also found Herman Albert Thompson Schauer born in NZ 1907
Then I find him dying in Malvern, Victoria under the name Shaw in 1952

So there is another case of going by the name of 'Shaw'
It's tough to track down Gustave. I wonder if he kept the Schauer since his wife did.
The real tough part is trying to understand what happened to their youngest sister, Marie Elizabeth Schauer. Who on her marriage cert has the Herman as the father, except he's been dead for years, and her mother was married to John Davey 4 years earlier. She just vanishes from records.

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Re: The Schauer family's Migration to New Zealand
« Reply #24 on: Monday 16 April 18 04:54 BST (UK) »
Part quote from reply #23........

"but I also found some names on a historical blog that noted that Bertha's birth was 24 Feb 1890 Wairau, NZ. Though I can't find her in the NZ bdm."

This looks like it Seany...... ;D

1890/6779   Watson   Bertha Laura   Flora   Charles


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HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: The Schauer family's Migration to New Zealand
« Reply #25 on: Monday 16 April 18 05:08 BST (UK) »
Parents marriage:

1870/6336   Flora   Watson   Charles   Watson

These are possible siblings.......

1883/11567   Watson   Alice   Flora   Charles

1887/15339   Watson   Christina Flora   Flora   Charles   -   

1884/7241   Watson   Ellen   Flora   Charles   -   

1881/17054   Watson   Alfred   Flora   Charles      
1893/17584   Watson   Alexander Ford   Flora   Charles Henry
1876/3911   Watson   Rose   Flora   Charles
1879/1633   Watson   Charles   Flora   Charles Henry
1871/23317   Watson   Laura   Flora   Charles   -   

1872/23625   Watson   Grace   Flora   Charles   -

1874/35638   Watson   Sarah Jane   Flora   Charles      


Minniehaha.
HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: The Schauer family's Migration to New Zealand
« Reply #26 on: Monday 16 April 18 06:16 BST (UK) »
Minniehaha! Nice job finding those :) Thanks for that.

Because Gustave and Bertha married in 1922, There's no hope of seeing who their children were, or if the had any. He was 37 and she was 32. Possible they still had a child or two.

I'll keep those siblings names for a rainy day in case someone on that side of the family knows what happened to Bertha.

I just found Gustave's brother Frederick William Schauer's death. 1836 in NSW under the surname name 'Shaw'. Has the right parents :) It's all coming together. His wife Kathleen Mary Kirchhubel (Married 1908 in Victoria) seems to have died in Prahran under the name Catherine Mary Shaw, parents Herman Kirchhubel and Katilda Greenway (Matilda?)

Still looking for Eric William Schauer, son of Herman and Constance. His brother Herman died in Australia as Shaw, and his father 1919 in New Zealand. Not sure where he got to.