Author Topic: Ellen WHEELER, nee Ronayne,married Hobart 1875  (Read 587 times)

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Re: Ellen WHEELER, nee Ronayne,married Hobart 1875
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 06 February 18 04:40 GMT (UK) »
...and comparison of Richard's signature on Margaret's death entry to that on the original marriage entry

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Re: Ellen WHEELER, nee Ronayne,married Hobart 1875
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 06 February 18 05:07 GMT (UK) »
Margaret RONAYNE, Ellen RONAYNE, and Ann WOOBY charged with stealing a pair of boots, Sep 2, 1867, which they tried to pawn. Margaret pleaded guilty and the other two not guilty but they were found guilty - Margaret sentenced to 3 months, Ellen to 1 month and Wooby 2 months hard labour.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/8847878

March 1890 - Account of the inquest for Martin WHEELAN (sic) who had been stabbed a couple of days previously and taken to hospital.  Ellen WHEELAN, (sic),  his wife, gives evidence - her stepfather Richard RONAYNE  was living with the couple.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/163570572

As has been mentioned before, other accounts use the name WHEELER and state that Richard is Ellen's father
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/150318557

There are other accounts also, for example:
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/163570582

You have probably seen this one which includes an interview with Richard RONAYNE with information about his earlier life (scroll down past the inquest info)
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/9230920

In this account of Richard's trial for manslaughter, Ellen is reported to state that he is her step-father.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/163573419

Richard found guilty of manslaughter, sentence: 6 months
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/9234829 

Doesn't help much with Ellen, although there is no mention of any children being present at the time of the murder in these reports.

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Re: Ellen WHEELER, nee Ronayne,married Hobart 1875
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 07 February 18 05:17 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for all these replies,

So, does it appear that Ellen was the dau.of Margaret Laundrigan (Landrigan?)and not Richard Ronayne, or Margaret and Richard? Perhaps there's no proof either way?

I had seen some of the reports on Trove... as most of my people were UK based (Ronaynes innumerable) I haven't had experience with Aus. records. I first tracked Richard down through the Old Bailey online, but it doesn't seem as if I have found an ongoing Aussie connection.

I will look up all the references given, and thanks for all the research.

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Re: Ellen WHEELER, nee Ronayne,married Hobart 1875
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 07 February 18 06:09 GMT (UK) »
Looking at their conduct records, Margaret was in Glenorchy, near Hobart, and Richard was up north at Longford, so Richard was not the father of Ellen. I don't think there would be any reference to "step-daughter" if he was, either.

Margaret had a marriage permission to William Gould cancelled (being sentenced for absconding) at the time she would have been pregnant, so I'll see if there may be a connection.

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Re: Ellen WHEELER, nee Ronayne,married Hobart 1875
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 07 February 18 06:19 GMT (UK) »
William Gould was hired by James Beresford, O'Briens Bridge (aka Glenorchy), from 1851 and Margaret by James Beresford, Glenorchy from 1852 - so certainly possible that Gould was the father! Hard to prove though  :-\

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Re: Ellen WHEELER, nee Ronayne,married Hobart 1875
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 07 February 18 07:07 GMT (UK) »
"Convicts under sentence (including holding a ticket of leave) required permission to marry from the Convict Department authorities from at least 1829 until 1858.  In most cases it was the man who applied to marry the woman, but those applications listed in the CON 53 register held at the Archives Office of Tasmania are where the woman applied to marry the man."

From CON53 Register of women's applications for permisson to marry
http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/default.aspx?detail=1&type=S&id=CON53
March 30 1853 Lundrygan Margt, Aurora - William Gould, Rodney 2

Ellen was born seven months later  ;)

add - notice of approval
1853 'CONVICT DEPARTMENT.', Hobarton Guardian, or, True Friend of Tasmania (Hobart, Tas. : 1847 - 1854), 23 April, p. 3. , viewed 07 Feb 2018, http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article172859766

and cancellation
1853 'LOCAL INTELLIGENCE.', Hobarton Guardian, or, True Friend of Tasmania (Hobart, Tas. : 1847 - 1854), 11 May, p. 3. , viewed 07 Feb 2018, http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article172859839

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Re: Ellen WHEELER, nee Ronayne,married Hobart 1875
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 07 February 18 08:50 GMT (UK) »
Well done Matthew, great finds.  :) I spent some time searching for Ellen's birth for lasswade unsuccessfully on an earlier thread (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=784123.18), so am pleased to see your results.

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Re: Ellen WHEELER, nee Ronayne,married Hobart 1875
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 08 February 18 01:22 GMT (UK) »
Well done Matthew, great finds.  :) I spent some time searching for Ellen's birth for lasswade unsuccessfully on an earlier thread (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=784123.18), so am pleased to see your results.

Its amazing how much there is to be found with this one  :)
You have found a death for Henry Owen in 1901 - he is buried in the same plot as Martin and Margaret, so there's a chance that Ellen will be too

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Re: Ellen WHEELER, nee Ronayne,married Hobart 1875
« Reply #17 on: Friday 09 February 18 20:38 GMT (UK) »
From "Notes from the Hobart Benevolent Society 1858 - 1914" Joyce Purtscher

"OWEN Ellen
15 Sep 1904 - 45yrs, a widow, of 251 Liverpool St has poisoned foot & needs operation
22 Sep 1904 - granted 2/6 towards rent"


Records indicate the the house number shifted to 251 from 253 Liverpool St (as shown in Henry's death notice) and by 1906 another family is living there.

I can't find any mention of Ellen after this

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