Author Topic: William Horn (1868-?) Did he really move to Australia?  (Read 2203 times)

Offline willsy

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 3,205
    • View Profile
Re: William Horn (1868-?) Did he really move to Australia?
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 07 February 18 22:44 GMT (UK) »
My pleasure, drawn a blank otherwise.

That article is interesting, Violet comers home to see her mother before returning to William but I couldn't find a passenger list.
Willsy

Ward, Newark (Nottingham), Leicester, Scarborough
Warren, Northampton, Leicester
Moore, Leicestershire
Hunt, Leicestershire
Kirkman, Leicestershire
Hurst, Leicester, Stowmarket
Kendrick, Leicestershire
Eld, Leicestershire
Essex Edey/Eady Elsden/Elsdon

Census Transcriptions are Crown Copyright from National Archives

Offline KentishChris

  • RootsChat Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 198
    • View Profile
Re: William Horn (1868-?) Did he really move to Australia?
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 07 February 18 22:53 GMT (UK) »
Yes, it is a bit odd. I feel like I'm missing something! Those typical brick wall feelings.

In regards to Violet, I have her coming in and out as follows;
Departing Liverpool for Valparaiso on the 27th April 1896,
Arriving Liverpool from Valparaiso on the 16th March 1902,
Departing London for Sydney on the 26th January 1922.

So yes, I haven't found that return trip to see her Mother either.
Her mother dies in 1905.
Goldsmith, Dewhurst, Brown, Stoneman, Waite, Philbey, Bolingbroke, Bowen - London
Evenden - Kent
Bryant - Somerset
Tyson, Walker, Beesley, Barlow - Lancashire
Horn - Sussex
Peacock, Bailey - Yorkshire
Butler - Hampshire

NIL DESPERANDUM

Offline KentishChris

  • RootsChat Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 198
    • View Profile
Re: William Horn (1868-?) Did he really move to Australia?
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 07 February 18 23:53 GMT (UK) »
I have found an incoming passenger list:
Wm Horn
Departed London, arrived Sydney on the 19th Feb 1903 on the Orizaba.

Reading over the article again (and without reading into the wording too much), Violet, "had learned that the defender had sailed for Australia in 1902". This should would have left towards the end of 1902.

Horn is also the 'correct' spelling that he used throughout his life. For some reason, Violet tended to add an 'e' to the end of Horn after she had apparently separated from William.

A possibility and trying to find any other possibilities!
Goldsmith, Dewhurst, Brown, Stoneman, Waite, Philbey, Bolingbroke, Bowen - London
Evenden - Kent
Bryant - Somerset
Tyson, Walker, Beesley, Barlow - Lancashire
Horn - Sussex
Peacock, Bailey - Yorkshire
Butler - Hampshire

NIL DESPERANDUM

Offline KentishChris

  • RootsChat Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 198
    • View Profile
Re: William Horn (1868-?) Did he really move to Australia?
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 21 November 19 12:41 GMT (UK) »
UPDATE

So, nearly two years later from the last post on this topic and absolutely nowhere near any answers.

I have expanded that section of the tree in recent months. Although William had a lot of brothers and sisters, it appeared not many of them have offspring.
His mother and father died in 1911 and 1912 respectively, but William is not mentioned in either probate. A few of the other siblings also seem to disappear.

Although I've had a look at the 1939 register to see if there were any William Horn's, I didn't seem to find any matches.

My next idea was that maybe William Horn was in Croydon, where his son George was born. I do not quite know where to begin with searching for this though.

I tried to find a matching death certificate, with the one that was in the newspaper in 1915, but couldn't find a match on the Western Australia death certificate site, so therefore, didn't order any.

Any help or fresh ideas of where to take this next would be greatly appreciated :)

Thanks
Chris

Goldsmith, Dewhurst, Brown, Stoneman, Waite, Philbey, Bolingbroke, Bowen - London
Evenden - Kent
Bryant - Somerset
Tyson, Walker, Beesley, Barlow - Lancashire
Horn - Sussex
Peacock, Bailey - Yorkshire
Butler - Hampshire

NIL DESPERANDUM


Offline matthewj64

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,414
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: William Horn (1868-?) Did he really move to Australia?
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 21 November 19 16:25 GMT (UK) »
I tried to find a matching death certificate, with the one that was in the newspaper in 1915, but couldn't find a match on the Western Australia death certificate site, so therefore, didn't order any.

As found previously by mollipops1, a William Horn died in December 1914
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article146123837
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article146074262

The death on the WA BDM index is
reg year 1914
district Pilbara
reg number 10

M

Offline mollipops1

  • RootsChat Senior
  • ****
  • Posts: 318
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: William Horn (1868-?) Did he really move to Australia?
« Reply #14 on: Friday 22 November 19 01:25 GMT (UK) »

As found previously by mollipops1, a William Horn died in December 1914
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article146123837
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article146074262

The death on the WA BDM index is
reg year 1914
district Pilbara
reg number 10

M

Thank you Matthew.

Chris, I'm not sure if there is a reason you haven't pursued this line of enquiry, but as mentioned previously you can order this death certificate here:
https://www.bdm.justice.wa.gov.au/_apps/pioneersindex/default.aspx

Australian death certificates are usually very detailed, although they do depend on a reliable informant being available.

Offline majm

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 25,385
  • NSW 1806 Bowman Flag Ecce signum.
    • View Profile
Re: William Horn (1868-?) Did he really move to Australia?
« Reply #15 on: Friday 22 November 19 01:52 GMT (UK) »
Excellent advice from mollipops in Feb 2018,  and so may I add support to Matthew's support too. 

Most of the states based bdm registrations for deaths have several sections,  so in addition to the burial/funeral director's info ,  there should be a section for his family history, and a section for medical officer giving cause of death....

Often times in Australian family history searchings the answers come from the bdms. 

JM

There is a death for a William HORN in Marble Bar in the Pilbara region of WA, from Glasgow, in 1915 aged 'about 45'.

See this article: trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/146123837

He had been working on Warralong Station for two years. He died without a will: trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/146074247

You can order his death certificate here: http://www.bdm.dotag.wa.gov.au/_apps/pioneersindex/default.aspx
The information in my posts is provided for academic and non-commercial research purposes. 
Random Acts of Kindness Given Freely are never Worthless for they are Priceless.
Qui scit et non docet.    Qui docet et non vivit.    Qui nescit et non interrogat.   
All Census Look Ups Are Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
I do not have a face book or a twitter account.

Offline KentishChris

  • RootsChat Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 198
    • View Profile
Re: William Horn (1868-?) Did he really move to Australia?
« Reply #16 on: Monday 25 November 19 09:44 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for the recent replies. Appreciate all help, as always  :)

I hadn't chased that lead mainly due to the cost and the outdated payments methods used by the Western Australian registry office. Writing down my credit card details on a bit of paper and hoping they get to the right place isn't something I'm overly comfortable doing.
At this point though, it looks like there are no other leads, so I will probably just have to do it!

Wish me luck and of course, will keep updated on the results, when I get them.

Thanks again
Chris
Goldsmith, Dewhurst, Brown, Stoneman, Waite, Philbey, Bolingbroke, Bowen - London
Evenden - Kent
Bryant - Somerset
Tyson, Walker, Beesley, Barlow - Lancashire
Horn - Sussex
Peacock, Bailey - Yorkshire
Butler - Hampshire

NIL DESPERANDUM