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Re: Cheddar Man's DNA
« Reply #63 on: Tuesday 27 February 18 15:55 GMT (UK) »
The eyes and skin tone immediately reminded me of this photo -  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghan_Girl

Lots of Near Eastern people have pale eyes.

Wasn't that something to do with 1) The Crusader Kingdom of Jerusalem, and 2) Kidnappings by Arab raiders along the south west coast of England?
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Re: Cheddar Man's DNA
« Reply #64 on: Friday 02 March 18 14:48 GMT (UK) »
Well what do you know, seems there was not enough data after all to say what colour his skin was

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-5453665/Was-Cheddar-man-white-all.html

But now, one of the main scientists who helped create the reconstruction of his 10,000-year-old face says he may not have been black at all.
Geneticist Susan Walsh at Indiana University–Purdue University Indianapolis, says we simply don't know his skin colour.
While her computer model shows being black is his 'probable profile', DNA testing is not advanced enough to say for certain.


And of course if you are comparing Cheddar man's markers with people from Papua New Guinea well what colour did you think they would suggest .....

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Re: Cheddar Man's DNA
« Reply #65 on: Friday 02 March 18 17:43 GMT (UK) »
From this article;https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg23731673-200-does-cheddar-man-show-there-is-such-a-thing-as-bad-publicity/

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According to the state of knowledge at the time, the genetic analysis did suggest that Cheddar Man’s skin was dark. But science progresses, and since the analysis was done last year, many more genes affecting skin colour have been discovered. Understandably, the new science did not make it into the documentary.

To add insult to injury, the story has now been seized upon by alt-right activists on social media. Many denounced the original conclusion as propaganda, with the “liberal media” and their cronies in academia twisting the truth to justify multiculturalism. This is blatant and hysterical nonsense, but it is the kind of fake news that can be halfway around the world before the truth has got its boots on.

Scientists are understandably hungry for the funding and publicity that a TV documentary can bring, but they need to be more savvy about what they are getting themselves into. TV companies want people to watch their shows; science news outlets cannot resist a juicy story; trolls will be trolls. Whenever science is done by press release, it is science that usually comes off worst.

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Re: Cheddar Man's DNA
« Reply #66 on: Saturday 03 March 18 14:52 GMT (UK) »
On the issue of skin colouration there is apparently (or was during the 1960s, techniques may have iimproved) a situation where a person undergoing a form of chest surgery may accidently have their skin colouration changed. Perhaps someone can confirm the existence of this condition?
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« Reply #67 on: Saturday 03 March 18 14:55 GMT (UK) »
In his series "Meet the ancestors" Julian Richards had a face constructed usingthe skull of Cheddar Man as a basis. He then showed the product to people in the area some of whom said they knew people who looked like him in the immediate vicinity. Has any DNA testing been done on these people?
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Re: Cheddar Man's DNA
« Reply #68 on: Saturday 03 March 18 15:25 GMT (UK) »
 As I understand it Cheddar Man's DNA results ( his Haplogroup was not made public) have yet to be released, the Scientific paper is currently out for "peer reveiw" before publication.

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