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Offline Miranda

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Stumped! Klussman
« on: Wednesday 07 February 18 19:45 GMT (UK) »
Hi everyone.
Struggling to find my ancestor in Hannover, Lower Saxony.  Ernest Klussman (spelling variants I'm certain).  He was born about 1800 - 1805.  I have no other detail of his life in Germany and would love to know when he came over and who with.  He was in Ireland by the time his first child was born in 1836, Newbridgbe Ireland.  I have no info of him there either.  He moved about a bit between Ireland and the UK.  Now struggling to dig up any more. 
Can anyone please give me some tips?   ;D
Thank you in advance.
Miranda
Knight-Barnard & Barnard (Gloucestershire, Stroud, Rodborough Common)
Mitten or Mitton (Guildford, Shropshire) 
Rose, Jacobs,  Guttentag, (mainly London)
Giles (Cricklade, Cinderford, Merthyr Tydfil, Troedhyriw),
Mills, (Wales & Gloucestershire)
Hughes - (Wales)
Klussman/Klusmann

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Offline davecapps

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Re: Stumped! Klussman
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 07 February 18 19:59 GMT (UK) »
Here´s an Ernst Klusman
born 1806
married 1854

Ernst Daniel Christoph Klusmann
Geschlecht:    männlich
Alter zur Zeit der Heirat:    48
Art des Ereignisses:    Heirat (Eheschließung)
Geburtsdatum:    29. Jan 1806
Heiratsdatum:    1854
Heiratsort:    Hannover, Hannover, Preußen
Vater:    Ernst Heinrich Philipp Klusmann
Mutter:    Marie Sophie Vollmer
Ehepartner:    Marie Sophie Dorothee Elisabeth Brandes
Kirchgemeinde wie angezeigt:    Döhren
Seitennummer:    4;4
Quelle:    Evangelisches Kirchenbuchamt Hannover

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Re: Stumped! Klussman
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 07 February 18 20:15 GMT (UK) »
Here´s an Ernst Klusman
born 1806
married 1854

Ernst Daniel Christoph Klusmann
Geschlecht:    männlich
Alter zur Zeit der Heirat:    48
Art des Ereignisses:    Heirat (Eheschließung)
Geburtsdatum:    29. Jan 1806
Heiratsdatum:    1854
Heiratsort:    Hannover, Hannover, Preußen
Vater:    Ernst Heinrich Philipp Klusmann
Mutter:    Marie Sophie Vollmer
Ehepartner:    Marie Sophie Dorothee Elisabeth Brandes
Kirchgemeinde wie angezeigt:    Döhren
Seitennummer:    4;4
Quelle:    Evangelisches Kirchenbuchamt Hannover


Thanks Dave
He was married to a Georgena.  She was born in Scotland somewhere in 1812 ish.  I don't think this is my Ernst.
It is a really hard task.
thanks
Miranda
Knight-Barnard & Barnard (Gloucestershire, Stroud, Rodborough Common)
Mitten or Mitton (Guildford, Shropshire) 
Rose, Jacobs,  Guttentag, (mainly London)
Giles (Cricklade, Cinderford, Merthyr Tydfil, Troedhyriw),
Mills, (Wales & Gloucestershire)
Hughes - (Wales)
Klussman/Klusmann

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Re: Stumped! Klussman
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 08 February 18 10:57 GMT (UK) »
they are in St Marys Parish ,Lambeth Surrey at one stage
one record states they married at St Mary,Lambeth

Ernst Klussman born june qtr 1843 - baptised St Marys Lambeth - he is Ernest on www.freebmd.org.uk
looks like
 Henry Klussman born 1846 Salford ,Manchester 1846 - but he is baptised St Marys ,Lambeth - a long way to go
Frederick Klussman not born England but baptised St Marys ,Lambeth - so probably born in Newbridge Ireland just before they moved to the UK ??

https://en.geneanet.org/fonds/individus/?country__0__=GBR&country__1__=&country__2__=&country__3__=&country__4__=&exact_day=&exact_month=&exact_year=&from=&go=1&ignore_each_patronyme=&ignore_each_prenom=&nom=klussman&page=1&place__0__=&place__1__=&place__2__=&place__3__=&place__4__=&prenom=&prenom_operateur=or&region__0__=ENG&region__1__=&region__2__=&region__3__=&region__4__=&size=10&subregion__0__=&subregion__1__=&subregion__2__=&subregion__3__=&subregion__4__=&to=&type_periode=between&zonegeo__0__=England%2C+United+Kingdom&zonegeo__1__=&zonegeo__2__=&zonegeo__3__=&zonegeo__4__=

Have a look and see if anything means something to you
good luck
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Re: Stumped! Klussman
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 08 February 18 11:11 GMT (UK) »
Here is a nice record for you
Other information in the record of William Ayley, Jr. and Dorette Anne Klussmann

from England Marriages, 1538–1973
 
 Name    William Ayley, Jr.     
 Spouse's Name    Dorette Anne Klussmann     
 Event Date     22 Oct 1863   
 Event Place     St. Mary'S, Lambeth, Surrey, England   
 Father's Name    William Ayley     
 Spouse's Father's Name      Ernest Klussman

same church as baptisms - the only puzzle I have is the Newbridge baptism - it looks to me like Ernest and Georgina Married in St Marys Lambeth - went to Ireland - had 2 children and then came back to Lambeth ....do you know his occupation ??
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Re: Stumped! Klussman
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 08 February 18 11:19 GMT (UK) »
I am really enjoying this - another daughters marriage - probably St Mary ,Lambeth

Name    William Chambers     
 Event Type     Marriage   
 Event Date     01 Sep 1863   
 Event Place     Lambeth, Surrey, England, United Kingdom   
 Marital Status     Single   
 Father's Name    William Chambers     
 Spouse's Name     Adelaide Klussmann   
 Spouse's Gender     Female   
 Spouse's Marital Status     Single   
 Spouse's Father's Name    Ernest Klussmann   
...
bingo -2 children  not born Newbridge - but St Catherines ,Dublin
1861 census - St Mary ,Lambeth

Household

Role

Sex

Age

Birthplace

   Earnest Klussmann  Head M 54 Hanover,
 Georgina Klussmann   Wife F 49 Edinburgh,
 Henry Klussmann   Son M 24 St Catherines Dublin,
 Earnest Klussmann   Son M 16 St Catherines Dublin,
 Frederick Klussmann   Son M 14  Ireland 

so Georgina is Edinburgh 1811/12  - and Ernest / Ernst / Earnest is Hannover 1806/7
ADDED  just noticed - there was only 7 weeks between his 2 daughters marriages - must have cost him a fortune .lol

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Re: Stumped! Klussman
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 08 February 18 11:48 GMT (UK) »
Although Davecapps was the wrong Ernst - it looks like it is the RIGHT spelling for the surname
no results in Hannover for Klussman / Kluzzman / Klusman / Kluzman
but
Klusmann has 10 results -
St Peter , Dohren ,Hannover , has  3
6 are in Martfield, DIEPHOLZ ,Hannover ,Prussia
1 in Nattrup-Hagen ,Hannover

an example of a tree from Diepholz
https://gw.geneanet.org/madsteinke?n=klusmann&oc=&p=johann+albert+christoph

Natrup Hagen record died in Natrup but was born Osnabruck
https://gw.geneanet.org/jscholte?n=klusmann&oc=&p=johann+friedrich

the 1802 birth of Heinrich Klusmann - he has 2 sisters - one named Adelheld - Adelaide in English

Ernest /Ernst born 1806 /7 around same timeframe has a daughter he names Adelaide
possible connection ?
there is this site named as Sources
 www.wiewaswie.nl
nl looks like a Netherlands site ?...anyway I will post and see if the link comes up



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Re: Stumped! Klussman
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 08 February 18 11:53 GMT (UK) »
It looks like the familytree Sources given was from a Dutch Klusmann whose ancestor came from Hannover - the same scenario as yourself
there are 5 pages of Klusmann on that Nethrlands link = 85 Klusmann RECORDS
https://www.wiewaswie.nl/nl/zoeken/
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