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Elizabeth Mark (1839-1847)
« on: Wednesday 07 February 18 22:51 GMT (UK) »
According to BMD, this child died somewhere in the Caernarfon registration district, Llanrug sub-district in 1847. I cannot find a record of her being buried in any graveyard, though. I would be very grateful if anyone could help me with this, or any other record of a burial with the same surname in the same period. I'd hoped Llanddeiniolen (Cae Hywel/Howel) but nothing so far.
Owen , Parry , Pritchard, Foulkes  o Llanddeiniolen
Jones, Bellis o Sir Fflint
Williams o Beaumaris
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Re: Elizabeth Mark (1839-1847)
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 08 February 18 11:27 GMT (UK) »
I too have drawn a blank. Just wondered if there had been a swap between patronymic and common surname since there is an Elizabeth Williams aged 6 who was buried in Llanddeiniolen in 1847. Do we know the father's full name and where they might have lived?

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Jones - Penmachno/Blaenau Ffestiniog/Capel Garmon
Thomas - Abererch/Porthmadog
Evans - Llangelynin/Llanaelhaern
Jones - Pwllheli/Abererch
Brammer - Lincolnshire/Nottinghamshire
Robb - London/Scotland

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Re: Elizabeth Mark (1839-1847)
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 08 February 18 12:53 GMT (UK) »
This one  :-\

MARK, ELIZABETH       age 8     
1847  Sept Quarter in CARNARVON RD  Volume 27  Page 241

Do you have the death certificate to see where she died
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Re: Elizabeth Mark (1839-1847)
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 08 February 18 14:12 GMT (UK) »
If she is the Elizabeth Mark aged 2 in the 1841 Census HO 1394/11/10/11 the family were living in Ebeneser Village which I understand was the old name for Deiniolen. There is a chapel in the village also named Capel Ebenezer/Ebeneser which appears to have a graveyard at the back. It is a possibility that Elizabeth is buried there. Gwynedd FHS have the MI transcriptions for the gravestones although there is no guarantee that Elizabeth has one.

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Jones - Penmachno/Blaenau Ffestiniog/Capel Garmon
Thomas - Abererch/Porthmadog
Evans - Llangelynin/Llanaelhaern
Jones - Pwllheli/Abererch
Brammer - Lincolnshire/Nottinghamshire
Robb - London/Scotland


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Re: Elizabeth Mark (1839-1847)
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 08 February 18 17:49 GMT (UK) »
They are indeed the family living at Ebenezer/Deiniolen in 1841 - so any alternative surname would be Jones. She's a member of a family that I'm researching on behalf of an American gentleman, so I do not have any certificates etc. There is no record of her on any MI in the area (I've got all the Llanddeiniolen/Llanrug/Llanberis ones) , but I'm wondering whether she was buried in Ebenezer churchyard, with the gravestone no longer being in existence (If it ever existed, as the parents and remaining children migrated around 1851). The eldest child seems to have been baptised at an Independent church in Caernarfon, so since Ebenezer is Independent, that might be the answer.
Owen , Parry , Pritchard, Foulkes  o Llanddeiniolen
Jones, Bellis o Sir Fflint
Williams o Beaumaris
Chambers o Dulyn
Rowlands o Tywyn

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Re: Elizabeth Mark (1839-1847)
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 08 February 18 19:43 GMT (UK) »
Yes seems like a possibility.
On another matter I notice one of your interests are the Pritchard and Foulkes families of Llanddeiniolen. My Nain's uncle Ellis Pritchard, or at least his wife Anne (nee Holland) moved to manage the Newborough Arms in Cwm-y-glo around 1910. Their eldest daughter Mary Wynn Pritchard married William Foulkes in Llanbeblig in 1919. I just wondered if they were related to your families.

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Jones - Penmachno/Blaenau Ffestiniog/Capel Garmon
Thomas - Abererch/Porthmadog
Evans - Llangelynin/Llanaelhaern
Jones - Pwllheli/Abererch
Brammer - Lincolnshire/Nottinghamshire
Robb - London/Scotland

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Re: Elizabeth Mark (1839-1847)
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 08 February 18 19:53 GMT (UK) »
I don't think so, I'm afraid, or it would be so far that I wouldn't know. The 'Foulkes' comes from around 200 years ago, and the Pritchard from about the same time. Did William foulkes go to south africa ?
Owen , Parry , Pritchard, Foulkes  o Llanddeiniolen
Jones, Bellis o Sir Fflint
Williams o Beaumaris
Chambers o Dulyn
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Re: Elizabeth Mark (1839-1847)
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 08 February 18 20:27 GMT (UK) »
Yes indeed William and Mary did go to South Africa although I haven't investigated any further. Just thought I would ask but Welsh surnames as so common, can not be any more common than mine Jones.

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Jones - Penmachno/Blaenau Ffestiniog/Capel Garmon
Thomas - Abererch/Porthmadog
Evans - Llangelynin/Llanaelhaern
Jones - Pwllheli/Abererch
Brammer - Lincolnshire/Nottinghamshire
Robb - London/Scotland

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Re: Elizabeth Mark (1839-1847)
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 08 February 18 20:32 GMT (UK) »
William Foulkes would then be a fourth cousin of my great grandfather. I think he probably came from Brynrefail. Where did his wife come from, then ?. I've got her down as being born around 1893.
Owen , Parry , Pritchard, Foulkes  o Llanddeiniolen
Jones, Bellis o Sir Fflint
Williams o Beaumaris
Chambers o Dulyn
Rowlands o Tywyn