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Re: illegible mothers name on birth certificate
« Reply #9 on: Friday 09 February 18 18:52 GMT (UK) »
Yes the same registrar for first three Hackney children wrote what he heard 3 different ways,
I think interpreting an Irish accent must have been difficult - John and Mary couldnít write their names. Dempsey seems most likely and was common in Irish English language records particularly in Cork.
Had thought Liverpool family might have moved to Hackney for 1861 with Bridget leaving home and Mary Ann possibly deceased. Hence interest in Mary Ann birth mother. Now donít think that likely.
Have also found difficulty with other trees. Still think Connell Dempsey  marriage in Ballinhassig 1845 with possible children Margaret and Ellen born Innishannon (next door parish) is most likely. With parents moving to England at height of potato famine - that means childrenís deaths too,
 However have been looking for explanations for the long gaps. John 8 to 9 years older than Mary so he could have had first marriage befor Dempsey marriage but canít get anything definite
Thanks for help. Ian
O'Connell, Frost, Marshall, Jones

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Re: illegible mothers name on birth certificate
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 10 February 18 00:05 GMT (UK) »
I should have said Jeremiah's birth in Hackney was 10/3/1854  - too close to Michael (mother Curry in 1853 J qtr) found by Heywood,  to be likely same family. It seems clear this was a different family in Liverpool and can't find logical 1861 reference for them in Liverpool so will reject that option.
Question remains - where were Hackney family in 1851. Answering that could give the needed link back to origins in ireland.
Can't see them in England 1851 or 1841 and John and that Mary (Dempsy) both born Ireland (Cork) so probably still in Ireland - which is why there is some logic to the idea they are the Ballinhassig Cork couple with Margaret born 28 Jan 1846 and Ellen born 12 Aug 1848. 6 years between 1848 and 1854 is quite a gap so looked for more births but couldn't see any.
If they emigrated after 1851 they wouldn't have appeared in the England census - is there 1851 census info from Ireland?
Also, if it's the same family both these  children had gone from the family by 1861 census in Hackney and I've thought it's possible they died what with the famine and poverty
Am I right there is no way to get death info from Ireland in the years 1848 to 1854?
This search is trying to develop the link between the Connell/Dempsey in Innishannon Ireland and the one in Hackney but it's possible there is no connection in which case I need to find another Connell/Dempsey marriage (that is assuming they did marry!) in Ireland or England. Haven't had much luck with that.
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Re: illegible mothers name on birth certificate
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 10 February 18 14:13 GMT (UK) »
As Michael was born 1st April 1853 ie 11 months before Jeremiah, in that era it is possible for them to be brothers so perhaps don't dismiss it for that reason