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Ward family 1700 backwards
« on: Saturday 10 February 18 13:18 GMT (UK) »
Is any able to help confirm that i am on the right track.  This is what i have

Thomas Ward Born  1732  Died 1812 age 72 married to Ellen Sawyer then Susannah Speakman

His parents were Henry Ward Bapt 10.03.1705(Liversay) & Alice Shorrock (blackburn) married 31.12.1733

Henry parents were Thomas Ward Bapt 07.03.1687 & Grace Smith  Bapt 27.04.1670 married on 26.04.1698

If this is correct i will continue going back.

Thank you all :)
Foster, Lyon, Marginson, Ward all from Preston area

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Re: Ward family 1700 backwards
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 10 February 18 13:34 GMT (UK) »
When did he marry Ellen Sawyer?

Looks to me that he only married once.
And would be 20ish then.

Marriage:
24 Jul 1753 St Helen, Garstang, Lancashire, England
Thomas Ward - Winmarly
Susanna Speakman - Winmarly
Married by Banns

Nothing to say he was widowed.

Burial:
18 Apr 1812 St Helen, Garstang, Lancashire, England
Thos. Ward -
Age: 79**
Abode: Nateby

Burial:
23 Mar 1816 St Helen, Garstang, Lancashire, England
Susannah Ward -
Age: 83
Abode: Nateby

Trish :)
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Re: Ward family 1700 backwards
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 10 February 18 13:36 GMT (UK) »
I see the Marriage now but it may be another Thomas Ward;

Marriage: 3 Feb 1787 St Helen, Garstang, Lancashire, England
Thomas Ward - (X), Husbandman, Garstang
Ellin Sawyer - (X), Spinster, Garstang
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Re: Ward family 1700 backwards
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 10 February 18 14:03 GMT (UK) »
I can find at least 7 children to Thomas/Ellin-Ellen in Garstang 1787-1802 on LancsOPC.
On last 2 Father a Labourer, abode Nateby.

Burial: 28 May 1807 St Helen, Garstang, Lancashire, England
Ellen Ward - Wife of Thos. Ward
Age: 46
Abode: Nateby

He looks to have remarried after Ellen died;

Marriage: 6 Jun 1815 St Helen, Garstang, Lancashire, England
Thomas Ward - (X), Widower, Garstang
Frances Longworth - (X), Spinster, Garstang

So unlikely to be the Thomas that died 1812.


Burial: 16 Jan 1830 St Helen, Garstang, Lancashire, England
Fanny Ward - Wife of Thomas Ward
Age: 64
Abode: Nateby

So this Thomas was still alive in 1830

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Re: Ward family 1700 backwards
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 10 February 18 14:06 GMT (UK) »
Yes thats the marriage i have 1787
 and also to susannah 24 jul 1753
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Re: Ward family 1700 backwards
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 10 February 18 14:11 GMT (UK) »
Read what I have posted and I will be back tomorrow, just signing out now as its late in OZ.

Do you have any children born to Thomas/Susannah? or are you descended from Thomas/Ellen?

As I say I think two different Thomas's. If born 1732 married 1787 for a second time and having children until 1802 he would be very old when they were born!

Also there is a Thomas Ward born c 1766 living in Garstang in 1841 Census who I think is more likely the one who married 1787.
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Re: Ward family 1700 backwards
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 10 February 18 14:19 GMT (UK) »
Re the Thomas 1841 Census.

Death Reg GRO Index;
WARD, THOMAS, age 83
GRO Reference: 1847  D Quarter in GARSTANG UNION  Volume 21  Page 318

Birth c 1764
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Re: Ward family 1700 backwards
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 10 February 18 17:05 GMT (UK) »
Is any able to help confirm that i am on the right track.  This is what i have

Thomas Ward Born  1732  Died 1812 age 72 married to Ellen Sawyer then Susannah Speakman

His parents were Henry Ward Bapt 10.03.1705(Liversay) & Alice Shorrock (blackburn) married 31.12.1733

Henry parents were Thomas Ward Bapt 07.03.1687 & Grace Smith  Bapt 27.04.1670 married on 26.04.1698

If this is correct i will continue going back.

Thank you all :)
What evidence do you have that Henry Ward (baptised 1705) & Alice Shorrock were parents of Thomas? They both have common forenames and surnames. Did they move from Blackburn to the Garstang area?
What evidence do you have that parents of Henry Ward were Thomas Ward & Grace Smith.
If those were the correct parents what is your evidence to connect the Thomas Ward who married Grace Smith with the Thomas Ward who was baptised in 1687? Was that Thomas Ward baptised not as an infant but as an older child or adult? If so, why?
Parish register entries of the period were sparse on detail.

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Re: Ward family 1700 backwards
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 10 February 18 17:47 GMT (UK) »
 Thomas Ward's abode at marriage was Winmarleigh. I know that doesn't mean that he was born there. However he may have been born in the vicinity. In that case he may have been baptised at St. Michael, Cockerham.  My ancestors from there are in Cockerham and Garstang parish registers. St. Helen's Church is not in the town of Garstang itself but a few miles outside it at Churchtown.

The surname Ward(e) was in registers of St. Michael, Cockerham registers in 17th + 18thC.
You may like to consider this baptism from Nov. 1680: "Thomas Wade (?) son of John Wade (?), abode (?). Notes:[surname hard to read]"
There were 2 Ward(e) marriages at Cockerham 1682, 1683. John Warde' entry in register 1683 reads "(married by Asking)". There were also Wade entries.
There are no baptisms for St. Michael, Cockerham 1692-1700 on Lancashire Online Parish Clerks website, or marriages 1658-1660 or burials 1657-1701. I haven't checked if they are available elsewhere. Missing marriages and some burials may be so-called "Commonwealth Gap" which affected many parish registers of the time. Another factor to consider is that there was a plague in Cockerham in mid 17thC and some people who died during it were buried without names or with only surnames.