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Phillip John James, c 1836, Cardiff
« on: Sunday 11 February 18 15:48 GMT (UK) »
In 1851 I have Phillip with his maternal grand-parents at Piece: 2455; Folio: 355; Page: 4; A journeyman plasterer.

I can't find him in 1841 (might be recorded as John James) and I loose him in 1861 and 1871. He turns up (as a retired plasterer) in 1881 married to a Harriet Evans.

I've no idea who his parents are! But mainly I'd like to locate in in the missing censuses.

A fresh pair of eyes please.

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Re: Phillip John James, c 1836, Cardiff
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 11 February 18 15:54 GMT (UK) »
In 1851 I have Phillip with his maternal grand-parents at Piece: 2455; Folio: 355; Page: 4; A journeyman plasterer.

So we know who the grandparents were
David   James   63   Journeyman Plasterer    bn Penmark, Glamorganshire
Margaret   James   72   bn Coity, Glamorganshire

How do you know they are the maternal grandparents  :-\
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Re: Phillip John James, c 1836, Cardiff
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 11 February 18 15:57 GMT (UK) »
Marriage Dec qtr 1876 
Evans    Harriett       
James    Philip John       
Cardiff    11a   387

Marriage gives his father as James James occ Gentleman  ???
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Re: Phillip John James, c 1836, Cardiff
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 11 February 18 15:57 GMT (UK) »
If they were maternal they would have a different surname to him - unless he was illegitimate.

Have you got details of his marriage to Harriet?
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Re: Phillip John James, c 1836, Cardiff
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 11 February 18 16:00 GMT (UK) »
There is an 1841 entry for a Philip James born 1837 living in Glamorgan with parents Philip and Ann

A copy of the marriage cert to Harriet will confirm if his father was Philip

EDIT

Just seen marriage details above
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Re: Phillip John James, c 1836, Cardiff
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 11 February 18 16:02 GMT (UK) »
Hi they married 2nd November 1876 Penarth, Philip John James 42 a Gentleman of St Mary the Virgin, Cardiff Father James James occ Gentleman
Harriet Evans 42 of Penarth Father John Evans
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Re: Phillip John James, c 1836, Cardiff
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 11 February 18 16:08 GMT (UK) »
Where does he fit into your FH as that info can sometimes help find more info

I find it strange that his occ on the 1876 marriage cert is so different to the census entries
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Re: Phillip John James, c 1836, Cardiff
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 11 February 18 16:12 GMT (UK) »
Maybe he upped himself on the marriage certificate by saying he was a gentleman instead of a humble plasterer  :-\
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Re: Phillip John James, c 1836, Cardiff
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 11 February 18 16:17 GMT (UK) »
....and invented a father also a gentleman  ;D
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