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The elusive Michael Lee
« on: Tuesday 13 February 18 10:30 GMT (UK) »
Hi all

This is proving a real difficulty. I'm trying to trace the Lee family backwards, hopefully to Ireland. What I have is this:

Michael Lee married Margaret Gibbon (b. 1850 d. 1888) in 1870 in Bedwelty.
They had child Mary Anne b. 1870 (though this age does not tally with the census below). Spencer Jones, who married Mary Anne Lee,  is my Gt GF and I'm sure information to that point is solid.

1891(2 share house 8 Globe Pit Row)

Hd Michael Lee 40, Wid, Millright in Forge, b. Tredegar
Son William, 19, unmarried, coal miner, b.Tredegar
Son John Lee, 13, b. Blaina
Dau Margaret Lee, 10, b. Blaina

and

Hd Spencer Jones, 24, Tinworker, b. Pontypool
Wife Mary Ann Jones, 24, b. Blaina
Dau Margaret Ann Jones, 1, b. Blaina

Are any of you gurus able to help?

Many thanks

David







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Re: The elusive Michael Lee
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 13 February 18 10:48 GMT (UK) »
Interestingly from wiki, this is the other Michael in the shared house:

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Lee-18678

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Re: The elusive Michael Lee
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 13 February 18 11:45 GMT (UK) »
As you now Michael is married to a Hannah in 1901 Census.

LEE, ELLEN, Mothers mn HAVARD
GRO Reference: 1899  S Quarter in MERTHYR TYDFIL  Volume 11A  Page 684

There appears to be only 1 marriage in Wales 1891-1899 reg Dec 1891 Swansea, Michael Lee/Hannah Harry on same page.

There is this Birth Reg;
Hannah Havard
Oct 1861 - Pontypool, Monmouthshire

This matches Hannah Lees dob/pob 1901 Census.

1871 she appears to be under HOWARD, Parents William/Elizabeth.
Mother remarries ;

1881 Census
Edward Griffiths   54
Elizabeth Griffiths 49
Enoch Havard 14
David W. Havard 8
James Probyn   62

Cant find Hannah 1881/1891 Census either as Havard/Howard or Harry.
No Marriage either.

Maybe name mistranscribed on 1891 Marriage?
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Re: The elusive Michael Lee
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 13 February 18 11:53 GMT (UK) »
As you now Michael is married to a Hannah in 1901 Census.

LEE, ELLEN, Mothers mn HAVARD
GRO Reference: 1899  S Quarter in MERTHYR TYDFIL  Volume 11A  Page 684

There appears to be only 1 marriage in Wales 1891-1899 reg Dec 1891 Swansea, Michael Lee/Hannah Harry on same page.

There is this Birth Reg;
Hannah Havard
Oct 1861 - Pontypool, Monmouthshire

This matches Hannah Lees dob/pob 1901 Census.

1871 she appears to be under HOWARD, Parents William/Elizabeth.
Mother remarries ;

1881 Census
Edward Griffiths   54
Elizabeth Griffiths 49
Enoch Havard 14
David W. Havard 8
James Probyn   62

Cant find Hannah 1881/1891 Census either as Havard/Howard or Harry.
No Marriage either.

Maybe name mistranscribed on 1891 Marriage?

Thanks Trish

I hadn't found Michael on the 1901 census, I shall try again.

Regards

David

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Re: The elusive Michael Lee
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 13 February 18 12:05 GMT (UK) »
As you now Michael is married to a Hannah in 1901 Census.

LEE, ELLEN, Mothers mn HAVARD
GRO Reference: 1899  S Quarter in MERTHYR TYDFIL  Volume 11A  Page 684

There appears to be only 1 marriage in Wales 1891-1899 reg Dec 1891 Swansea, Michael Lee/Hannah Harry on same page.

There is this Birth Reg;
Hannah Havard
Oct 1861 - Pontypool, Monmouthshire

This matches Hannah Lees dob/pob 1901 Census.

1871 she appears to be under HOWARD, Parents William/Elizabeth.
Mother remarries ;

1881 Census
Edward Griffiths   54
Elizabeth Griffiths 49
Enoch Havard 14
David W. Havard 8
James Probyn   62

Cant find Hannah 1881/1891 Census either as Havard/Howard or Harry.
No Marriage either.

Maybe name mistranscribed on 1891 Marriage?

Trish

Do you think that The Michael Lee here is Mary Anne's father?

1891(2 share house 8 Globe Pit Row)

Hd Michael Lee 40, Wid, Millright in Forge, b. Tredegar
Son William, 19, unmarried, coal miner, b.Tredegar
Son John Lee, 13, b. Blaina
Dau Margaret Lee, 10, b. Blaina

and

Hd Spencer Jones, 24, Tinworker, b. Pontypool
Wife Mary Ann Jones, 24, b. Blaina
Dau Margaret Ann Jones, 1, b. Blaina

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Re: The elusive Michael Lee
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 13 February 18 12:42 GMT (UK) »
1871 (Looks promising)

Tunnel Cottage, Lanishen, Cardiff, Glamorganshire, Wales

Thomas Burke Boarder - Male 30 1841 - -
John Burke Boarder - Male 32 1839 - -

Bridget Lee Head - Female 60 1811 - Ireland
Michael Lee Son - Male 18 1853 - Glamorgan,
Mary Lee Daughter - Female 14 1857 - Glamorgan,

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Re: The elusive Michael Lee
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 13 February 18 14:48 GMT (UK) »
The Marriage Cert info that has been found has her Father as Michael, Occp Labourer.

You have been given some solid advice from Rootschatters on your other query on the Lee Family.

I keep going back to this Census someone posted on your other query;
Bridget Lee, 60
Michael Lee, 18
Mary Lee, 14
Thomas Burke, 30
John Burke, 32

There is no Michael Lee Birth Reg I can find 1851-1854 but there is this;

Dec 1852
Leahy,  Michael    Merthyr Tydfil    11a   235


GRO Index;
LEAHY, MICHAEL, Mother mn MCGRATH
GRO Reference: 1852  D Quarter in MERTHYR TYDFIL  Volume 11A  Page 235

Maybe another red herring but I havent had time to read over all the answers to your other query properly!

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Re: The elusive Michael Lee
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 13 February 18 16:49 GMT (UK) »

Hi Trish

There is so much information that its hard to know which is good and which is solid. Is there a way I could bottom it out, by may be ordering certificates?

My thoughts at the moment seem to lean towards:

1891(2 share house 8 Globe Pit Row)

Hd Michael Lee 40, Wid, Millright in Forge, b. Tredegar
Son William, 19, unmarried, coal miner, b.Tredegar
Son John Lee, 13, b. Blaina
Dau Margaret Lee, 10, b. Blaina

and

Hd Spencer Jones, 24, Tinworker, b. Pontypool
Wife Mary Ann Jones, 24, b. Blaina
Dau Margaret Ann Jones, 1, b. Blaina

The Michael here being Mary Anne's father.

Michael being son of Bridget as referenced:

1871

Bridget Lee, 60
Michael Lee, 18
Mary Lee, 14
Thomas Burke, 30
John Burke, 32

And possibly:

1861
1, Francisco Street, Manchester, Lancashire, England
Bridget Lee Head Widow Female 48, 1813, Washerwoman Ireland
Elizabeth Lee Daughter Unmarried Female 23, 1838 Watch Cot Maker

I'm just flummoxed as what to do next

Kind regards

David

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Re: The elusive Michael Lee
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 13 February 18 17:01 GMT (UK) »
link to other thread for info
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=787717.msg6431781#msg6431781

possible from 1881

Pit Row, Blaina RG11/5240 folio 118 pg 53
Michael Lay head mar 32 cinder filler coke oven b. Co Cork, Ireland
Margaret wife 29 b. Co. Cork, Ireland
Mary Ann dau 11 b. Blaina
Rachel dau 7 b. Tredegar
William son 5 b. Tredegar

birth reg for Mary Ann with mother's maiden name Gibbon on other thread
other birth regs
Timothy Ley dec qtr 1878 Bedwellty vol 11a pg 119 mmn Gibbon - death reg march qtr 1879 age 0 as Lay
Margaret Lee march qtr 1884 Bedwellty vol 11a pg 84 mmn Gibbon
Looks like Michael wasn't too good at remembering ages of his children.

The advice given on the other thread is good. Order the birth  & marriage certs from 1870 as advised, it will give you an address as well as confirming parentage. With an address you know where to look. Reposting info already found is getting confusing. Much easier to keep all info on one thread.

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Lincs: Coupland, Cram
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