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long lost (twins) relatives in Toxteth Park Cemetery
« on: Tuesday 13 February 18 22:43 GMT (UK) »
PLIMMER   Arthur   1 month Infant 22 Marmion Terrace buried   21 February 1902 (mass grave)
PLIMMER   Herbert   8 months Infant 37 Beloe Street buried 27 September 1902 (mass grave)

GRO list mother as SWIFT (two of mine known are the same!)

trying to find who lived at those addresses but
1911 at 37A Beloe St is Mrs Frances Davenport and 2 daughters, husband at sea
1911 at 22 Marmion Terrace is widowed Mrs Mary Jane Myddleton, 1 daughter, 1 son

(don't appear related to those boys who died there)

would I be better finding out who lived there in 1901?
(their mother and siblings lived in Kensington District in 1901)

Thanks.

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Re: long lost (twins) relatives in Toxteth Park Cemetery
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 13 February 18 22:55 GMT (UK) »
1911 is nine years after the children's burials. It's not surprising that residents of both addresses have changed in that time. I agree that finding the residents in 1901 might be beneficial. I believe you search by addresses on Find My Past (I don't have a sub so can't check I'm sorry).

Do you have both death certificates? The informants may be relatives. Perhaps the family moved in the months after Arthur's death, hence the different addresses.

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Re: long lost (twins) relatives in Toxteth Park Cemetery
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 13 February 18 23:12 GMT (UK) »
Hi at the 22, Marmion Terrace address in 1901 was a David and Martha Foxley
Census ref RG13/3429/135/16

Beloe Street RG13/3430/84/10
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Re: long lost (twins) relatives in Toxteth Park Cemetery
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 13 February 18 23:21 GMT (UK) »
Plimmerian, do you have the parents and other siblings of these babies on the 1901 census?




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Re: long lost (twins) relatives in Toxteth Park Cemetery
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 13 February 18 23:26 GMT (UK) »
Plimmerian, do you have the parents and other siblings of these babies on the 1901 census?

I thought the " Mother and siblings lived in the Kensington District" in 1901?
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Re: long lost (twins) relatives in Toxteth Park Cemetery
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 13 February 18 23:27 GMT (UK) »
Plimmerian, do you have the parents and other siblings of these babies on the 1901 census?

I thought the " Mother and siblings lived in the Kensington District" in 1901?
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oops, missed that. Thanks. :-[

And the father?

"Kensington district"? Is that in Liverpool as well?

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Re: long lost (twins) relatives in Toxteth Park Cemetery
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 14 February 18 00:58 GMT (UK) »
 :) Wish we had at least the Mother & siblings names to save on searching, but possibly in the Kensington District, West Derby we have:-

Ellen Plimmer 35
Lily G 9
Harold E 8
Residing at Lennox Street
Census ref RG13/3491/103/13
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Re: long lost (twins) relatives in Toxteth Park Cemetery
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 14 February 18 10:53 GMT (UK) »
Original burial entries show these burials were 'single' interments in public graves so not mass burials as such although a number of adults and children would be buried in this type of grave. The family would have paid for this type of burial and at the time it was the most popular type of burial and did not necessarily reflect on the financial situation of the deceased and their family. It's difficult for us to track the movements of families as people moved very often from tenancy to tenancy. My own ancestors didn't have longer lasting tenancies until the 1920s onwards:-

Arthur Plimmer

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJM-D9LC-Y?cat=405169


Herbert Plimmer

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJM-D9L4-S?cat=405169



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Re: long lost (twins) relatives in Toxteth Park Cemetery
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 14 February 18 13:28 GMT (UK) »
Maybe contact the cemetery's office and ask them for more information.

http://liverpool.gov.uk/contact-us/service-area/cemeteries-and-crematoria/

The images look like they are an index.

There is most probably more then one register for burials, the other one should have more details as to who paid for the funeral.
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Sherry-Paddington & Marylebone,
Longhurst-Ealing & Capel, Abinger, Ewhurst & Ockley,
Chandler-Chelsea