long lost (twins) relatives in Toxteth Park Cemetery

[Blue70]

The links in the quote below, viewable when signed in to Family Search, are of the original burial registers they were used by this excellent transcription site where most people initially find burial details for Toxteth Park Cemetery:-

http://www.toxtethparkcemetery.co.uk/Toxteth%20Park%20Cemetery%20Main%20Home%20Page.html


There are Order Books for this cemetery at Liverpool Record Office to see the type of information have a look at the ones on Family Search these only go up to 1901 online but I think the Record Office will have books for 1902. The cemetery people will likely refer any enquiry to the records in the Record Office:-

https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/462697?availability=Family%20History%20Library



Blue

Original burial entries show these burials were 'single' interments in public graves so not mass burials as such although a number of adults and children would be buried in this type of grave. The family would have paid for this type of burial and at the time it was the most popular type of burial and did not necessarily reflect on the financial situation of the deceased and their family. It's difficult for us to track the movements of families as people moved very often from tenancy to tenancy. My own ancestors didn't have longer lasting tenancies until the 1920s onwards:-

Arthur Plimmer

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJM-D9LC-Y?cat=405169


Herbert Plimmer

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJM-D9L4-S?cat=405169



Blue

[plimmerian]

thanks for all the posts

and sorry for the delay
my ill health means I'm not always able to reply straight away

Ellen Swift married James Plimmer in 1890
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NFX4-XP1

they lived on Edge Lane in 1891 before James died in 1893 on Pringle Street

in 1901 Ellen and her off spring were at 30 Lennox Street, Kensington, her occupation as a cook at a post office (James had been a postman)

by 1911 they had moved to 34 Fairview Place, Toxteth, her occupation now as a shop keeper / chandler who by 1914 was living at 45 Nickleby Street, Toxteth

by 1939 at her son in law's of 34 Geraint Street, Toxteth

she died in 1950, aged 85, at the infamous "126 Smithdown Road" and I've been told she was buried in Allerton - in an unmarked grave!

James was buried in West Derby cemetery with his first wife (it has a headstone)!

Their daughter was cremated at Springwood Crematorium, Allerton in 1977 and their son was buried in Allerton in 1962, where his wife and her first husband are also buried (it has a headstone).

Thanks again for contributing to my post 

[plimmerian]

More addresses to add to the mystery, the birth PDF arrived for the twins:

Arthur Plimmer born 16 Jan 1902 at 12h 5m (am)
Herbert Plimmer born 16 Jan 1902 at 12h 10m (am)
both in 5 Houldsworth Street, Toxteth Park
(mother's address as 22 Warwick Terrace, Beresford Road, Toxteth Park)

more investigations needed now!

 

[plimmerian]

update:

Arthur Plimmer died 19 Feb 1902 (22 Marmion Terrace, Beresford Road) (cause: marasmus)
Herbert Plimmer died 24 Sep 1902 (37 Beloe Street) (cause: meningitis)

a sad ending, especially with the loss of potentially two more branches, to an already flimsy tree!