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Help wanted with dating council housing lists.
« on: Wednesday 14 February 18 21:49 GMT (UK) »
I have a partial copy of some Windsor house owner or occupier lists, Electoral Rolls? But am uncertain of the exact date that they pertain to. Also, I am uncertain of the meaning of the symbol which I have tried to replicate next to TJK senior’s name.


D 368 † Kirtland, Thomas James Sen. 4 Greenham Place
D 369   Kirtland, Thomas, William.   3 Greenham Place

If anybody has access to these lists, please would they be so good as to confirm the date that they relate to and the meaning of the symbol ?

I think that they could be about 1900.
Kirtland (Oxfordshire Windsor, Berkshire)
Lipscombe (Longwick Berkshire 1825- 1960)
Marsh (Co Durham+Berks  Bucks post 1935, Wokingham 1990)
Reynolds (Buckinghamshire)
Green Berkshire)
Brown (? Co Durham)
Wilson ( ? Buckinghamshire)

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« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 14 February 18 21:55 GMT (UK) »
If you think they are c1900 why not check the 1901 census
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« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 14 February 18 22:01 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Rosie will do. But not tonight. It is past my bed time.
Been a long time since I have studied these. Since then I have had a major calamity with my data which I am trying to reorganise. I thought that Thomas James moved off to London before 1900 and died in London. Stretham maybe ?
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Lipscombe (Longwick Berkshire 1825- 1960)
Marsh (Co Durham+Berks  Bucks post 1935, Wokingham 1990)
Reynolds (Buckinghamshire)
Green Berkshire)
Brown (? Co Durham)
Wilson ( ? Buckinghamshire)

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« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 14 February 18 23:01 GMT (UK) »
For what it is worth there is an Ernest Kirtland living at 4 Greenham Place in the 1911 with wife and son.

Have a look at the 1881 census.  There is a Thomas Kirtland with wife and five children two of whom are Ernest as above and Thomas living in Greenham Place.  No number given.

Piece number   1324
Folio   139
Page   12

Registration District Windsor
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 14 February 18 23:05 GMT (UK) »
Thomas Jnr's birth

KIRTLAND, THOMAS  WILLIAM     LIPSCOMB     
GRO Reference: 1871  S Quarter in WINDSOR  Volume 02C  Page 414   

Thomas Snr's birth

KIRTLAND, THOMAS  JAMES     YEATES     Order
GRO Reference: 1844  D Quarter in HEADINGTON UNION  Volume 16  Page 54

The 1891 census names them as Thomas James and Thomas William.

Piece number   1012
Folio   115
Page   2
 
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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« Reply #5 on: Thursday 15 February 18 06:40 GMT (UK) »
thank Girl Guide. The two names are perhaps the source of my confusion.
My late uncle told me that one of them was divorced, but, I have not managed to find who and if the idea of a divorce is true.
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Marsh (Co Durham+Berks  Bucks post 1935, Wokingham 1990)
Reynolds (Buckinghamshire)
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Brown (? Co Durham)
Wilson ( ? Buckinghamshire)

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« Reply #6 on: Thursday 15 February 18 07:00 GMT (UK) »
Hhmm, well what you are told and what is actual fact can be quite different.  I was told by my mother that her grandfather was a twin.  He wasn't, he was the eldest of three.

Divorce in the time that the two Kirtland's were living was expensive.  It would be more likely for a man to simply leave his legal wife and go off to live with the other woman.

That's exactly what my great grandfather did, left his wife and child and lived with another woman.

You could follow the two Kirtlands through the census records to see if either man is living with a different woman at any point.
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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« Reply #7 on: Thursday 15 February 18 09:08 GMT (UK) »
Nifty - the list you have is a register of electors.

Specifically, polling district D, parish of Clewer Without, New Windsor constituency.
In force 1 January 1900 to 1 January 1901 - qualifying date July 1899 (so the information was gathered during summer 1899).

The dagger symbol means "this mark signifies that the person is entitled to be registered as a Parochial Elector only in respect of the qualification".

This is explained by the fact that Thomas James senior was also registered for "Coach and Horses", Oxford Road (polling district C - elector number C 338)
Berks - Appleton Barlow Bartholomew Carter/Cook Corderoy Coxhead Froud Fryzer Griffin Head Noke Richmond Salter Sawyer Shrimpton Sidwell Stratton Wernham
South Bucks - Miller Mitchell Horton
Cornwall - John Henry Grigg born c 1839 where?
Hants - Hine/Hind
South Oxon - Barlow Fryzer Simmonds Toby
Suffolk - Philpott Stone
Surrey Edwards Knight Lanaway

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« Reply #8 on: Friday 16 February 18 05:32 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for that Steve. It has given me something to work on with a bit more certainty.

Girl Guide.  It is because, in the words that my late mother told me when I was about five, my father was ‘naughty and had run away with another woman’ that I got into FR. I find it paradoxical that I barely knew him in life, but, perhaps with the exception of his mother, I probably know more about him than anyone ever did. It’s just the details that I’m still looking for.

Does anyone know what S Quarter means ? Summer Spring. No confusion at all :)
Edit September More likely, but then it would be a third!
Kirtland (Oxfordshire Windsor, Berkshire)
Lipscombe (Longwick Berkshire 1825- 1960)
Marsh (Co Durham+Berks  Bucks post 1935, Wokingham 1990)
Reynolds (Buckinghamshire)
Green Berkshire)
Brown (? Co Durham)
Wilson ( ? Buckinghamshire)