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« on: Thursday 15 February 18 10:52 GMT (UK) »

Stanley Burgess was in the Merchant Navy prior to WWI as a steward. He transferred to the Royal Navy in Nov 1915 once again as a steward. After the war he was awarded the Mercantile Ribbon and Medal and also the British Medal. My question is what branch of the RN would he have joined? I've attached his service records. Would the 'Merchant Services with engagement' in the remarks column be a clue?

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« Reply #1 on: Thursday 15 February 18 15:43 GMT (UK) »
Not sure what you mean by "branch"?

As you rightly say he was a steward (an officers' steward in his case) and the vessels he served in are listed.  Chatham at the top is the administrative "manning division" of the Royal Navy that trained men from the eastern side of the UK, the first entry "Pembroke" is the shore establishment at Chatham where he started his service.

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« Reply #2 on: Thursday 15 February 18 18:09 GMT (UK) »
That was the wrong word to use, sorry but would he have left the Merchant Navy and then enlisted in the Royal Navy or was he just transferred over? I've written in detail about the ships and shore bases he was on but I just can't understand the procedure on enlistment. Was he still a merchant seaman aboard a RN vessel especially as he was given Mercantile medals?

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« Reply #3 on: Friday 16 February 18 14:38 GMT (UK) »
My untutored thought is that he was still a merchant seaman but serving with the Royal Navy under some sort of special arrangement.  I would rather not guess and I shall ask friend Seaweed who is a whiz at matters maritime if he would look at the question.

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« Reply #4 on: Friday 16 February 18 15:42 GMT (UK) »
Good afternoon,

Was this the same man in previous thread; http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=786801.0

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« Reply #5 on: Friday 16 February 18 16:00 GMT (UK) »
Almost all Merchant Seamen were also members of the Royal Naval Reserve, or the Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve.

I'm not an expert on the differences between the 2 branches.
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« Reply #6 on: Friday 16 February 18 16:52 GMT (UK) »
Back again,

This is the one I was looking for earlier, had to go and pick up OH, definitely same man. This may help Max, shows him in RN uniform with Leading rate.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=787120.0

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« Reply #7 on: Friday 16 February 18 17:02 GMT (UK) »
Thank you everyone, I think I'm becoming a little obsessive about this but I'm writing a book for the family and I do want to get it right and yes John 915, I should have carried on with that thread.
Oops I see you've already replied John.

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« Reply #8 on: Friday 16 February 18 17:11 GMT (UK) »
And again,

RNR are all professional seamen from the MN and fishing fleets who formed a reserve of men who could be called on for war service with the RN. It goes back to the Naval Reserve Act 1859.

Originally seamen only , in 1862 it included officers as well with their distinctive chain rank insignia.

RNVR were founded in 1903, was a reserve of civilian volunteers. Known as the "Wavy Navy" because of the officers rank insignia of wavy stripes. By the end of WW1 they outnumbered the RNR by about 3 to 1.

The two were amalgamated in 1958.

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