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Wife or Widow?
« on: Thursday 15 February 18 12:33 GMT (UK) »
I am working on my g-grandmother, Catherine Daley, who married a Joseph Daley in Newcastle in 1902. There appear to be no children of the marriage until 1910, but her son’s birth certificate has no father’s name. At that point Joseph had departed the scene, although we don’t know if he died or the marriage broke up.

My question comes from Catherine’s death in 1914, which was reported by her sister, but in the certificate Catherine is shown as ‘wife of Joseph Daley’. If Joseph was dead, I would have expected her to be described as a widow. If wife and widow were not interchangeable then it implies that Joseph was still alive even if not living in the family home. After Catherine’s death her son was adopted by another sister, not by Joseph who never appears again.

Any thoughts? Thanks for your attention.

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Re: Wife or Widow?
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 15 February 18 12:39 GMT (UK) »
It was probably an informal adoption by the sister. Adoption as we know it did not start until the late 1920's

What information does the marriage certificate give for Joseph.  Have you found him on census prior to the marriage
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« Reply #2 on: Thursday 15 February 18 12:47 GMT (UK) »
so Catherine's maiden name was Collins?

What was the name and p.o.b. of the child b 1910?

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Re: Wife or Widow?
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 15 February 18 13:37 GMT (UK) »
Suz - It was Collins, yes. The son was William Henry Daley, b 26.8.1910, St Nicholas in Newcastle upon Tyne. Catherine died in August 1914. (Tracking down Catherine's birth is a whole other story - this family looks like it didn't want to register births.) 

Rosie - I have found him in the 81, 91 & 1901 censuses as well as having the marriage certificate, witnessed by her sister Margaret, who was the one who informally adopted William.

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« Reply #4 on: Thursday 15 February 18 13:40 GMT (UK) »
Rosie - I have found him in the 81, 91 & 1901 censuses as well as having the marriage certificate, witnessed by her sister Margaret, who was the one who informally adopted William.

Could you please give us some details so we know who we are looking for. 
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« Reply #5 on: Thursday 15 February 18 13:54 GMT (UK) »
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(Tracking down Catherine's birth is a whole other story - this family looks like it didn't want to register births.) 

What birthplace does she give on census?  Sounds like an Irish name. 
Have you got birthplace for her sister?
Hinchliffe Huddersfield Wiltshire

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« Reply #6 on: Thursday 15 February 18 14:09 GMT (UK) »
there is a Joseph Daley b.c.1883 Newcastle on Tyne
he was a private in 181 Battallion Northumberland Fusiliers and stating he was single after the date of the marriage
Wonder if this is him??

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« Reply #7 on: Thursday 15 February 18 14:10 GMT (UK) »
Have you found Catherine in 1911 - what does she say about marital status and birthplace?
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Wife or Widow?
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 15 February 18 14:10 GMT (UK) »
There's a Joseph Daley who died in WW1 1916 birth Felling on tyne.
Hinchliffe Huddersfield Wiltshire