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Re: Wife or Widow?
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 15 February 18 14:11 GMT (UK) »
Who does Joseph name as his father when he married. What was Josephs occupation.
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Re: Wife or Widow?
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 15 February 18 17:32 GMT (UK) »
Thanks to you all for taking such an interest and trying to help out with this family.

What I have so far is as follows:

Joseph Patrick Daley, born in Carlisle, Cumberland 1879 was a fitter & turner according to his marriage certificate. He appears in the 1881 census in Caldewgate, Cumberland and in the 1891 & 1901 censuses in Westgate, Newcastle upon Tyne. He married Catherine Collins on 21 June 1902 at the Register Office. His father was John Daley, a confectioner, still alive at the time of the marriage.
 
Catherine was the daughter of Richard Collins, and she was born around 1883. Although I haven't found a birth for her, the year is borne out by the censuses & her death certificate. She was in Gateshead in 1891 and then at another sister's house in 1901 as a visitor.  I haven't been able to find her at all in the 1911 Census nor the child, William Henry Daley, who would have been less than a year old. In fact, I haven't been able to find birth certificates for Catherine or any of her siblings (all girls), which seems more than a coincidence.

There is a Joseph Daley who died in Sheffield in 1908, which could be one reason he's no longer on the scene in 1910, but it doesn't explain my original question, which was why would Catherine's death certificate state 'wife' and not 'widow'. Unless perhaps she didn't know he was dead? Could it be that simple?

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Re: Wife or Widow?
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 15 February 18 19:24 GMT (UK) »
If they separated and lost contact, there would be no way of Catherine's sister knowing if Joseph was alive or dead, so she simply described her as wife of rather than widow. Death certificates are the least reliable when it some to taking the information at face value.
CHOULES All ,  COKER Harwich Essex & Rochester Kent 
COLE Gt. Oakley, & Lt. Oakley, Essex.
DUNCAN Kent
EVERITT Colchester,  Dovercourt & Harwich Essex
GULLIVER/GULLOFER Fifehead Magdalen Dorset
HORSCROFT Kent.
KING Sturminster Newton, Dorset. MONK Odiham Ham.
SCOTT Wrabness, Essex
WILKINS Stour Provost, Dorset.
WICKHAM All in North Essex.
WICKHAM Medway Towns, Kent from 1880
WICKHAM, Ipswich, Suffolk.

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Re: Wife or Widow?
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 15 February 18 19:44 GMT (UK) »
If they separated and lost contact, there would be no way of Catherine's sister knowing if Joseph was alive or dead, so she simply described her as wife of rather than widow. Death certificates are the least reliable when it some to taking the information at face value.

Occam's razor! I suspect you're probably right.

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Re: Wife or Widow?
« Reply #13 on: Friday 16 February 18 08:07 GMT (UK) »

There is a Joseph Daley who died in Sheffield in 1908, which could be one reason he's no longer on the scene in 1910,

The Joseph Daley who died in Sheffield in 1908 age 28 was a Roman Catholic and buried Grave Number 4181, Section GG of City Road Cemetery, Sheffield.
Other Daley's in the grave James, John Thomas, Julia and Lucy
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Re: Wife or Widow?
« Reply #14 on: Friday 16 February 18 08:25 GMT (UK) »
Deleted - answered the question myself on reply 20
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Re: Wife or Widow?
« Reply #15 on: Friday 16 February 18 10:26 GMT (UK) »
This must be the 1901 Westgate

father is a navvy but daughter Annie is boiling sweets so there is a confectionery connection

John Daley 50
Jane A 46
Annie 28
Joseph 21 fitter in ordnance ****
David 20
Rose 17
Mary J 15
John 11
James 7


Hinchliffe Huddersfield Wiltshire

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Re: Wife or Widow?
« Reply #16 on: Friday 16 February 18 10:53 GMT (UK) »
Could you give us a bit more info on Catherine please  :)

You say her father is Richard - is this from the marriage - what was his occupation and who were her other sisters, how did you find out their names? 

What is the name/birthplace of the sister she is visiting in 1901?
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Re: Wife or Widow?
« Reply #17 on: Friday 16 February 18 10:59 GMT (UK) »
This must be the 1901 Westgate

father is a navvy but daughter Annie is boiling sweets so there is a confectionery connection

John Daley 50
Jane A 46
Annie 28
Joseph 21 fitter in ordnance ****
David 20
Rose 17
Mary J 15
John 11
James 7

He was a sugar boiler in 1891
RG12/4193 f42 p15
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