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Where are my missing Williams baptisms? Southwark St Saviour 1871-1892
« on: Friday 16 February 18 17:35 GMT (UK) »
Afternoon everyone.

I think I may either be missing something really obvious in terms of social history, or perhaps just looking in the wrong places, but I cannot find the parish baptism records for 6 out of 9 children born to John and Mary Ann Williams in St Saviour, Surrey between 1871-1892.

Elizabeth born 1874 St Saviour, Surrey
John Richard born 1876 St Saviour, Surrey
Frances Louise born 1878 St Saviour, Surrey
James Thomas born 1879 St Saviour, Surrey
Henry Charles born 1881 St Saviour, Surrey
Alice Maud born 1892 St Saviour, Surrey

There is another sibling, Mary Ann who was born in 1871 but registered in Lambeth and I haven't looked for her baptism record yet. In addition, I have found two other siblings' baptism records at St Mark Walworth (Jessie Beatrice 16 Aug 1892 and Florence Emily 27 May 1890) but after searching through the entire set of baptism records at St Mark Walworth from 1870 to 1900 I can't find any other matching or even partially-matching records. Census records show the family were living in Ash Street, Newington in 1871, Gurney Street in 1881 and North Street in 1891. John, the father, was a painter.

I've done wildcard searching in Ancestry for all possible matches across London but still nothing. I wondered if I am missing something really obvious, such as them being born in a workhouse with a chapel (so the baptism records would be separate from the parish records). Does anyone know of any gaps in the baptism records for Southwark? Could it be that they just weren't baptised? I can't believe they would be baptised as anything other than CofE so haven't looked at any RC records.

I'd be really grateful for pointers and next steps. Thank you!


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Re: Where are my missing Williams baptisms? Southwark St Saviour 1871-1892
« Reply #1 on: Friday 16 February 18 17:54 GMT (UK) »
Alice M is age 8 on 1891 - so cant be born 1892!  ;)
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Re: Where are my missing Williams baptisms? Southwark St Saviour 1871-1892
« Reply #2 on: Friday 16 February 18 18:01 GMT (UK) »
Opps - yes, transcription error!

Alice Maud was born 1882.

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Re: Where are my missing Williams baptisms? Southwark St Saviour 1871-1892
« Reply #3 on: Friday 16 February 18 18:23 GMT (UK) »
All on GRO index MMN Page

16/3/1874 St. John the Evangelist Waterloo Lambeth
John Williams Decorator father Martin
Mary Ann Page father Peter both give Waterloo and fathers dead.

Witnesses Thomas and Elizabeth Horton

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Stevens /Godfrey /Rudgley /Claridge/ Gipson /George /Bliss
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Re: Where are my missing Williams baptisms? Southwark St Saviour 1871-1892
« Reply #4 on: Friday 16 February 18 18:48 GMT (UK) »
Hi Jennifer - I have the GRO birth data already, looking for parish records of baptisms.

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Re: Where are my missing Williams baptisms? Southwark St Saviour 1871-1892
« Reply #5 on: Friday 16 February 18 21:44 GMT (UK) »
I wasn't sure if you needed the marriage.

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Re: Where are my missing Williams baptisms? Southwark St Saviour 1871-1892
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 17 February 18 06:49 GMT (UK) »
Daughter Alice Maud Williams born 21 November 1882 was baptized St Mathew Newington Surrey 27 September 1886
Parents John Williams and Mary Ann of 51 Sayers Street, Painter

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Re: Where are my missing Williams baptisms? Southwark St Saviour 1871-1892
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 22 February 18 18:21 GMT (UK) »
amondg thank you!! I can't work out how my searches missed this so I'm very grateful to you.

I've gone through the rest of the images for baptisms at St Matthew Newington to look for the other children and noticed that a large number of pages are missing from the scans and are not indexed. I wish I had spotted this before I went down to the London Metropolitan Archives last week - I suspect my relatives will be recorded in the missing pages.

Oh well, not for far away from London so I suppose I'll plan another trip.