Author Topic: Thomas John Batt 1929-1970 I can't find his birth.  (Read 626 times)

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Re: Thomas John Batt 1929-1970 I can't find his birth.
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 21 February 18 09:36 GMT (UK) »
Not sure that includes a date as late as 1930 does it NJ? Im sure I had to order a 1940 birth as a paper one recently.
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Re: Thomas John Batt 1929-1970 I can't find his birth.
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 21 February 18 09:38 GMT (UK) »
Good point groom....not had to order any that recent.    :-[
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Re: Thomas John Batt 1929-1970 I can't find his birth.
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 21 February 18 11:51 GMT (UK) »
You are correct Groom,the website says......the PDF pilot covers...

Births: 1837 1917
Deaths: 1837 1957
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Re: Thomas John Batt 1929-1970 I can't find his birth.
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 21 February 18 17:22 GMT (UK) »
If you do order certs please let us know the outcome

Suz

Will have the order in tomorrow, and let you know what I find out.  It takes a while for me to get the certificates here in Colorado usually ten days after they are dispatched.
Ricky

Are you aware that you can now order a PDF for births/deaths at a lower price?

Yes I order them when possible, but PDF's are not available for certificates  after 1917.
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Yorath:  Glamorgan
Thomas:  Carmathenshire, Langfihangel Aberbythych
Tyte: Gloucestershire, Glamorgan

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Re: Thomas John Batt 1929-1970 I can't find his birth.
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 21 February 18 17:29 GMT (UK) »


Yes I order them when possible, but PDF's are not available for certificates  after 1917.

They are for deaths,but not births  :)
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Re: Thomas John Batt 1929-1970 I can't find his birth.
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 21 February 18 18:10 GMT (UK) »


Yes I order them when possible, but PDF's are not available for certificates  after 1917.

They are for deaths,but not births  :)

I wish they were  :) but GRO says: " The extended Pilot covers PDF copies of those historical digitised civil registration records held by GRO (i.e. birth entries from 1837 - 1917 and death entries from 1837 - 1957). A GRO index reference is required to be provided with the application. You can find the GRO index references by logging on to the GRO online ordering service and accessing the GRO online indexes. A PDF will cost 6.00 each."
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Sherlock: Kent, Pembrokeshire, Glamorgan, Carmarthenshire, Canada Australia & NZ
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Thomas:  Carmathenshire, Langfihangel Aberbythych
Tyte: Gloucestershire, Glamorgan

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Re: Thomas John Batt 1929-1970 I can't find his birth.
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 21 February 18 18:55 GMT (UK) »


Yes I order them when possible, but PDF's are not available for certificates  after 1917.

They are for deaths,but not births  :)

I wish they were  :) but GRO says: " The extended Pilot covers PDF copies of those historical digitised civil registration records held by GRO (i.e. birth entries from 1837 - 1917 and death entries from 1837 - 1957). A GRO index reference is required to be provided with the application. You can find the GRO index references by logging on to the GRO online ordering service and accessing the GRO online indexes. A PDF will cost 6.00 each."

So they ARE available for deaths after 1917........in fact right up to 1957.
My father in law died in March 1957 and his is available by PDF if required.
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Re: Thomas John Batt 1929-1970 I can't find his birth.
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 21 February 18 19:52 GMT (UK) »
I guess John Henry Batt, the father, is the chap b c1875 in Bristol area who is brought up in Barry and dies in 1933. He has a wife Florence May, nee Wilson, in 1901, which may be the reason no marriage can be found

He appears in the papers a bit for use of obscene language, fighting and betting. The marriage doesn't appear to have lasted long - if they relocated to Bargoed (occupation matches 1901 and I think Florence is with her father there in 1911)

http://newspapers.library.wales/view/4164230/4164232/31/

http://newspapers.library.wales/view/4164635/4164639/90/


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Re: Thomas John Batt 1929-1970 I can't find his birth.
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 01 March 18 01:26 GMT (UK) »
I guess John Henry Batt, the father, is the chap b c1875 in Bristol area who is brought up in Barry and dies in 1933. He has a wife Florence May, nee Wilson, in 1901, which may be the reason no marriage can be found

He appears in the papers a bit for use of obscene language, fighting and betting. The marriage doesn't appear to have lasted long - if they relocated to Bargoed (occupation matches 1901 and I think Florence is with her father there in 1911)

http://newspapers.library.wales/view/4164230/4164232/31/

http://newspapers.library.wales/view/4164635/4164639/90/

Thanks for the links.  He  does not sound very nice!  The birth certificate of  Martha Maria and John Henry's first child was registered as though they were man and wife, but the next two children were registered under her name.  Then both of the latter seem to have had the certificates amended as there are "late entries for them.  I am awaiting the certificates.  Martha Maria is listed as spinster on her 1937 marriage to James Williams so it is almost certain that she and John Henry were never married.  I will update when the certificates arrive.

Ricky
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Sherlock: Kent, Pembrokeshire, Glamorgan, Carmarthenshire, Canada Australia & NZ
Yorath:  Glamorgan
Thomas:  Carmathenshire, Langfihangel Aberbythych
Tyte: Gloucestershire, Glamorgan