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Frederick Ribbans born/bapt 1798 Norwich
« on: Wednesday 21 February 18 06:05 GMT (UK) »
Hi all,

Can anyone please help me in finding where Frederick Rebband was bapt. (I suspect his surname has been mis-read and should read Ribbans) Attached below is a screenshot of an entry from F/S.
I have looked thru all the Norwich registers beginning with St.Peter..... without any success  following the entry in the 1871 census

This person went under several name changes and starting in 1841;
1841 Edgbaston,  Warks               - Frederick Ribbans aged 40 born "in the city"                                           occu.    School M??
1851  St.Peter, Carmarthenshire   -Frederick  Bolingbroke Ribbans aged 50 born ??Glamorgan Chilton          "        School master
1861 Clewer, Berks                       -John       Bo"n??           Ribbans aged 60    "  England                                 "        Gentleman LCD??
1871       "         "                            - Frederick Bolingbroke Ribbans aged 70    "  Norwich St.Peter                    "        Land Dividends, Annuities
1881       "         "                            -Frederick Ribbans aged 80                         "  Norwich Norfolk                      "        blank

He married firstly Rebecca East 31-12-1818 in Lavenham, Suffolk under the names of Frederick Henry Ribbans.

Rebecca Ribbans (nee East is buried 20-8-1821 Lavenham, Suffolk.

They have a s/o  East Frederick Thomas Ribbans bapt 15-2-1820 Lavenham, Suffolk

Frederick Ribbans (no other names) marries Harriet Williams 2-1-1824 In St.Marylebone, Middx (she came from Salop,  and they have a daughter Arabella  bapt 4-1-1826 Hopton,

He seems to have been a school master in Lavenham, moved to London and eventually became school master at at a grammar school in Wales.
and from  1860s transferred/retired to Clewer In Berks and lived with his dau and s/o -in-law.

I'm not sure he connects to my "Ribbans" family as they mostly hail from Suffolk but with his mother's maiden name of Horsley is an interest I have because my 3 x ggrandmother also went by Horsley.

Any help will be most appreciated,

Alan


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Re: Frederick Ribbans born/bapt 1798 Norwich
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 21 February 18 06:21 GMT (UK) »
St Peter Mancroft, Norwich

Frederick Ribband baptized 30 June 1798 parents Robert Ribband and Ann.
Privately baptized born 14 June 1798
Late Ann Horseley spinster

Ref: NFHS Transcription

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Re: Frederick Ribbans born/bapt 1798 Norwich
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 21 February 18 06:28 GMT (UK) »
Are you sure you have the same Frederick Ribband, the census is consistent giving a birth of 1801

If he married as Frederick Henry,(the first time)? yet the census have Frederick Bolingbrook?

ADDED
He seems to have forgotten he married before the banns for St Marylebone on 14,21,28 December 1823 state he is a bachelor, so does the marriage entry.

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Re: Frederick Ribbans born/bapt 1798 Norwich
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 21 February 18 06:50 GMT (UK) »
The Frederick Bolingbroke Ribbans is listed as an alumni of Cambridge University.
Assistant Master of Birmingham, Edgbaston Proprietary School
Head Master Sir Thomas Powell School, Carmarthen
Head Master Sir Thomas Powell School, Carmarthen.

He was also a Freemason initiated 1855, shows dues paid 1863-1887 at Lodge in Brecon Wales.

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Also a Freemason 1839 Edgbaston Warwickshire

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Re: Frederick Ribbans born/bapt 1798 Norwich
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 21 February 18 08:33 GMT (UK) »
Hi amondg,

Thank you most kindly for all this info. I have now found the bapt. in the St.Peter Mancroft registers (on Anc...y) which confirms his MMN as Horsley. They also had Hannah Elizabeth Ribbans in Yarmouth in 1800 with same MMN

Regarding his marriage - the records show he married 2-1-1824 after the Banns were called in Dec '23

Are you sure you have the same Frederick Ribband, the census is consistent giving a birth of 1801

If he married as Frederick Henry,(the first time)? yet the census have Frederick Bolingbrook?

I'm convinced I have the same man albeit his bapt was in 1798 some 2-3 years earlier. There has always been the thought that he dropped his 2nd name of Henry in favour of Bollingbroke without any justification that we can find.

The info regarding Cambridge Uni and the schools - do you know if any records are available on line which can be perused?

Thank you once again.

Alan
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Belcher, Elderfield, Froude, Saunders,  Stimson, Tame,   in Berks
Artis, Gray in Norfolk

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Re: Frederick Ribbans born/bapt 1798 Norwich
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 21 February 18 10:08 GMT (UK) »
The image of the marriage and banns are on ancestry.

The information regarding Cambridge University was also on ancestry.



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Re: Frederick Ribbans born/bapt 1798 Norwich
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 21 February 18 12:10 GMT (UK) »
Hi amondg,

Well I eventually found the alumni but every time I put in Frederick Ribbans nothings comes up.
Perhaps you could give me info on how to extract info.

Alan
Browse, Peggs, Revans/Revance/Ribbans, Spall,   in Suffolk/Norfolk
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Re: Frederick Ribbans born/bapt 1798 Norwich
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 21 February 18 20:17 GMT (UK) »
On ancestry I searched Frederick Bolingbroke Ribbans and his biography from Cambridge
was part of the list found by the search paramiters

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Re: Frederick Ribbans born/bapt 1798 Norwich
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 21 February 18 21:09 GMT (UK) »
Had a look at the Welsh Newspaper Archive - an umber of stories about his time at Sir Thomas Powell and Queen Elizabeth's Grammar Schools, Carmarthen (the former being one amalgamated into the latter). I was hoping to find an article  dealing with his retirement or departure which might have some history, but no. It looks like the relationship between him and the town council who managed the endowment was not always that good.

East Frederick is definitely the son of this man, as he was at one point second master of the Sir Thomas Powell endowed grammar school and his relationship is mentioned in the papers.