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Re: 1871 Marriage in Benthall of Alfred John Lloyd and Hannah Fletcher
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 22 February 18 22:33 GMT (UK) »
Many thanks everyone for all your research into Alfred and demolishing my brick wall!! It confirms that he was the illegitimate son of Susannah Lloyd. I have now found his baptism -

18 May 1849 - Madeley - Alfred John Bagnell. Father - Alfred Bagnell, Mother - Susan Lloyd

Interestingly, his birth does not appear to have been registered until 1852. GRO online index -

June Quarter 1852 - Madeley - Alfred John Bagnall. MMN - Lloyd

After being baptised and registered with the surname Bagnall, quite why he changed it to Lloyd in adulthood we shall never know. Perhaps he resented Alfred Bagnall for 'having his way' with his mother!!  Regarding your last post, keyboard86, in the 1911 Census Laura L Lloyd is in the 1881, 1891 & 1901 Censuses as Laura (Lora) Bagnall, grand daughter of Alfred Bagnall. She married Thomas W Lloyd. I cannot follow your last comment about Alfred's yob! So it is the correct Alfred Bagnall.

Thanks again everyone for all your help. It really is much appreciated.

Geoff
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Re: 1871 Marriage in Benthall of Alfred John Lloyd and Hannah Fletcher
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 22 February 18 23:04 GMT (UK) »
 :) Forgot about Laura possibly marrying a Lloyd!
Just found it odd that the census age of Alfred ( C ) Bagnall varied until 1891/1901/1911 and death ie 1829?

Who were the parents of Frederick & Laura?!

Suggest that Alfred b 1849 knew he was illegitimate and reverted to his mothers name?!
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Re: 1871 Marriage in Benthall of Alfred John Lloyd and Hannah Fletcher
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 22 February 18 23:59 GMT (UK) »
Have found the GRO online birth index entry for Laura Louisa Bagnall in Dec 1879 Quarter in Madeley but MMN is not given. The only possible entry I can find for Frederick Bagnall is Mar 1871 Quarter in Market Dayton, again MMN is not given, but this does not match with his YOB on census entries i.e. 1873/1874. Cannot find any baptism records for either one.

If anyone has access to Laura's marriage certificate this might give her father's name. She married Thomas W Lloyd on 26 June 1904 in Madeley.
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Re: 1871 Marriage in Benthall of Alfred John Lloyd and Hannah Fletcher
« Reply #12 on: Friday 23 February 18 00:12 GMT (UK) »
Hi again, their is a Private baptism 18th December 1872 address Ironbridge of a Frederick Josiah Bagnall Mother Elizabeth Anne, no apparent mention of illegitimancy, although the one above states illegitimate?!
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Re: 1871 Marriage in Benthall of Alfred John Lloyd and Hannah Fletcher
« Reply #13 on: Friday 23 February 18 22:45 GMT (UK) »
Hi again, just getting notes on pad onto thread, at present purchase of certificate for Laura L and Thomas W Lloyd marriage only route, but believe she was illegitimate.
The only child of Thomas W and Louisa L I can locate, was a Thomas Alfred Lloyd ,his deatb could possibly be born 12th November 1904 death Dec qtr 1969 Dudley, Laura L Lloyd possibly died June 1958 Rowley Regis aged 78
Thomas W Lloyd b c 1882 Dec qtr 1946 Wenlock aged 64
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Re: 1871 Marriage in Benthall of Alfred John Lloyd and Hannah Fletcher
« Reply #14 on: Friday 23 February 18 22:46 GMT (UK) »
Hi again, just getting notes on pad onto thread, at present purchase of certificate for Laura L and Thomas W Lloyd marriage only route, but believe she was illegitimate.
The only child of Thomas W and Louisa L I can locate, was a Thomas Alfred Lloyd ,his death could possibly be born 12th November 1904 death Dec qtr 1969 Dudley, Laura L Lloyd possibly died June 1958 Rowley Regis aged 78
Thomas W Lloyd b c 1882 Dec qtr 1946 Wenlock aged 64
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Re: 1871 Marriage in Benthall of Alfred John Lloyd and Hannah Fletcher
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 27 February 18 16:09 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for the information Keyboard86. The transcription of Laura's 1904 marriage certificate on 'Find My Past' does not give names of either her or Thomas' father and the image is not available. I have traced Frederick's marriage in 1901 in Madeley, but only from the GRO entry. I was wondering if I made a separate lookup request for Laura's full marriage certificate details it might bring some response?
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Re: 1871 Marriage in Benthall of Alfred John Lloyd and Hannah Fletcher
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 27 February 18 16:25 GMT (UK) »
Hi only a thought, if the marriage was not in a Church but a Register/Registry Office it will be necessary to purchase it?
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Re: 1871 Marriage in Benthall of Alfred John Lloyd and Hannah Fletcher
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 27 February 18 16:36 GMT (UK) »
Good point. I will first request a separate lookup and see what response it brings.
Geoff
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