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Irish Quakers - Armagh?
« on: Wednesday 21 February 18 22:14 GMT (UK) »
I've been searching for information on a family named Milsop, Milsopp, Milsap, or Milsapps who lived in Armagh in the townland of Breagh near Portadown at the end of the 18thc and into the 19thc, my gr great grandfather William Davis married a woman named Sarah Milsop or a variant who lived there. I believe they were a Quaker family and wondered if I might have more luck looking for Quakers in the area?

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Re: Irish Quakers - Armagh?
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 21 February 18 22:24 GMT (UK) »
FindmyPast released a lot of Irish Quaker records last year and the indexes are searchable even if you do not have a current subscription https://www.findmypast.com/quakers. Background info on https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Ireland_Quaker_Records and see also http://www.sinton-family-trees.uk/quaker/quakerx.php

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Re: Irish Quakers - Armagh?
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 22 February 18 13:46 GMT (UK) »
Thank you I will definitely have a look!

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Re: Irish Quakers - Armagh?
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 22 February 18 14:26 GMT (UK) »
I notice there was a Mislop documented 1853-1864 in 'emeralisland' website in the village of  Tartaraghan which is i the right townland ( that is near Portadown)

However Bessbrook near Newry Armagh (about 20 miles away) was a 'model village'(self-contained community, ) Bessbrook was built by the Quakers Linen Mill owners,  John Grubb Richardson in 1845 a landowner and industrialist to house their workers....so the same as  Rowntree, Cadbury villages.
There is lots of information about it.

The Richardson property was bequeathed to the National Trust, so they and/or PRONI will hold any records. The Dublin Friends Historical Library at Rathfarnham hold microfilm of the Ulster Province/Quarterly Meeting minutes and all of its monthly meetings which is where any birth/marriage/deaths will be recorded
ROI Dublin Friends Historical Library, Religious Society of Friends in Ireland https://quakers-in-ireland.ie/

NI Religious Society of Friends,Ulster Quarterly Meeting Archives Committee
http://www.quakers-in-ireland.org/
Leicestershire:Chamberlain, Dakin, Wilkinson, Moss, Cook, Welland, Dobson, Roper,Palfreman, Squires, Hames, Goddard, Topliss, Twells,Bacon.
Northamps:Sykes, Harris, Rice,Knowles.
Rutland:Clements, Dalby, Osbourne, Durance, Smith,Christian, Royce, Richardson,Oakham, Dewey,Newbold,Cox,Chamberlaine,Brow, Cooper, Bloodworth,Clarke
Durham/Yorks:Woodend, Watson,Parker, Dowser
Suffolk/Norfolk:Groom, Coleman, Kemp, Barnard, Alden,Blomfield,Smith,Howes,Knight,Kett,Fryston
Lincolnshire:Clements, Woodend

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Re: Irish Quakers - Armagh?
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 22 February 18 18:18 GMT (UK) »
Many thanks. I tried the links for the findmypast, Family Search Quakers, and sintonfamiltytrees above and found no mention of the name in any spellings though Family Search generally does have quite a few, but no information regarding religion or even location as fa as I could see. There were more than one immediate family group in the area, however, and the mention of Tartaraghan is very interesting - thank you. I think they may have been linen weavers so the Bessbrook connection is intriguing.

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Re: Irish Quakers - Armagh?
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 22 February 18 18:35 GMT (UK) »
Many people were part and parcel of the various stages of the  linen industry at that time in history in Ulster, the Irish linen industry once employed over 40 percent of Northern Ireland's working population and Ulster is where  the famous 'Irish Linen' is from, only one Irish Linen manufacturer now left, they are in Banbridge which is a short drive from Portadown https://www.fergusonsirishlinen.com/ 
The linen museum is in Lisburn https://www.lisburnmuseum.com/ 
I can't find the surname in my history of the Linen industry books, there are many people who still grow flax and several still do events for tourists and locals showing the process... it was very hard and dirty work
Leicestershire:Chamberlain, Dakin, Wilkinson, Moss, Cook, Welland, Dobson, Roper,Palfreman, Squires, Hames, Goddard, Topliss, Twells,Bacon.
Northamps:Sykes, Harris, Rice,Knowles.
Rutland:Clements, Dalby, Osbourne, Durance, Smith,Christian, Royce, Richardson,Oakham, Dewey,Newbold,Cox,Chamberlaine,Brow, Cooper, Bloodworth,Clarke
Durham/Yorks:Woodend, Watson,Parker, Dowser
Suffolk/Norfolk:Groom, Coleman, Kemp, Barnard, Alden,Blomfield,Smith,Howes,Knight,Kett,Fryston
Lincolnshire:Clements, Woodend

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Re: Irish Quakers - Armagh?
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 25 February 18 09:10 GMT (UK) »
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.   grandfather William Davis married a woman named Sarah Milsop or a variant who lived there     

An Illiwarra History Society document, referencing The Brisbane Water Story,  refers to William Davis having lost his first wife Isabelle Milsop and that his second with was a Sarah (surname not known).

Has your research since proved this incorrect or otherwise established that Sarah was a Milsop too, or should folks trying to assist you be looking for an Isabelle?

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Re: Irish Quakers - Armagh?
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 25 February 18 09:16 GMT (UK) »
This site (albeit I am not familiar with it or how accurate it might be), also indicates Isabelle Milsop and has Sarah as a Mayer:

https://australianroyalty.net.au/individual.php?pid=I2391&ged=purnellmccord.ged


Update:

Hallmark's reply #8 on this old thread http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=653344.0 has previously mentioned both Isabelle and Sarah, I now see. So, have you just mistakenly said Sarah Milsop in your first post of this current thread and did mean Isabelle?
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Re: Irish Quakers - Armagh?
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 25 February 18 09:33 GMT (UK) »
This old post from 2008 http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=346516.0 also links the Millsop name with Tataraghan - I see you came across it back in 2014. Did you ever manage any contact with the person who started that post?
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