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Offline Cai Thomas

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Toole Family
« on: Thursday 22 February 18 20:26 GMT (UK) »
Hi Everyone,

I have previously posted on here with respect to:

James Frederick Toole

"James Frederick Toole was born on 9 January 1796 in Aldgate, Middlesex, the son of Mr. Toole. He married Elizabeth Bertout on 6 September 1818 in Newington, Surrey. They had six children in 10 years. He died on 31 January 1847 at the age of 51, and was buried in Nunhead, Surrey"

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John Toole

John Toole was born in 1801 in Middlesex, the son of Mr. Toole. He married Ann Trist on 6 July 1824 in his hometown. They had one child during their marriage. He died on 5 March 1838 in London, at the age of 37, and was buried in England.

But we have no idea as to their parents.

Until now it was believed that their parents where from Middlesex / London.

However the Son on J F Toole was a famous actor called John Lawrence Toole.

"When John Lawrence Toole was born on 12 March 1830 in London, his father, James, was 34 and his mother, Elizabeth, was 36. He married Susan Caslake on 27 April 1854 in London, London. They had two children during their marriage. He died on 30 July 1906 in London, London, having lived a long life of 76 years, and was buried in Kensal Green, Middlesex."

Now having contacted the Masonic Lodges, it shows that his father or grandfather was originally from Ireland.

Which means that James Frederick Toole could have originally been born in Ireland, but it is almost certain that his brother was born in England.

There are multiple sources stating the irish connection.

Some help would be greatly appreciated.

This is the old London/Middlesex thread which is now discounted, due to multiple sources confirming an Irish origin.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=777735.msg6316426#msg6316426

There is a suggestion that they could have come from Antrim, but this is purely guessing.

A potential is John Toole and Mary Fearny  but i cannot see a mention of John toole, only James Toole
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Re: Toole Family
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 22 February 18 20:57 GMT (UK) »
There is a suggestion that they could have come from Antrim, but this is purely guessing.
Guess based on what?

For reference-
Toole / O'Toole In London (London & Middlesex)
O'Toole Antrim B ABT. 1765 D ABT 1818 (Antrim) "So I have had a hint, which suggests a Baptism of 19 Mar 1797 - Armagh, Ireland"
James Frederick Toole 09 01 1796 -> 31 01 1847 (London & Middlesex)
Parents of John Toole (Devon)
James Frederick Toole - Parents of (London & Middlesex)
Thomas Toole / Tooley 1753-1828 (England)
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Re: Toole Family
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 22 February 18 21:01 GMT (UK) »
There is a suggestion that they could have come from Antrim, but this is purely guessing.
Guess based on what?

For reference-
Toole / O'Toole In London (London & Middlesex)
O'Toole Antrim B ABT. 1765 D ABT 1818 (Antrim) "So I have had a hint, which suggests a Baptism of 19 Mar 1797 - Armagh, Ireland"
James Frederick Toole 09 01 1796 -> 31 01 1847 (London & Middlesex)
Parents of John Toole (Devon)
James Frederick Toole - Parents of (London & Middlesex)
Thomas Toole / Tooley 1753-1828 (England)

The hint was from a relatives family tree, though there is no documentation to back it up and from their own admittance it was from just fumbling around on Ancestry.

Yes there is a baptism record,  I have spent several hours following down this line, but i can't find a similar record for the brother with the same parents.

Most of the previous work was based around english parentage, but the masonic documentation quite clearly suggests Irish parentage/lineage.
Wolley (London, Middlesex), Toole (London & Kings Langley hertfordshire, Bertout, Dadge, Griffiths, Worsley (Lancashire), Lewis & Tift (Lancashire), Mapstone/Mabston/Mapston

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Re: Toole Family
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 22 February 18 21:53 GMT (UK) »
O'Toole Antrim B ABT. 1765 D ABT 1818 (Antrim) "So I have had a hint, which suggests a Baptism of 19 Mar 1797 - Armagh, Ireland"


When he was 32??

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Re: Toole Family
« Reply #4 on: Friday 23 February 18 19:19 GMT (UK) »
O'Toole Antrim B ABT. 1765 D ABT 1818 (Antrim) "So I have had a hint, which suggests a Baptism of 19 Mar 1797 - Armagh, Ireland"


When he was 32??

A very good point! Sorry I must have been very tired when I posted this. Apologies.

In which case, all we know is that the dad was from Ireland.The mother was most likely living in england in Devon when John was born.
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