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Offline BuddysMummy

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Deserter?
« on: Friday 23 February 18 11:03 GMT (UK) »
Hi, I havenít been on here for a while. Life gets busy, I get confused, research goes in fits and starts.

I am receiving alerts from Forces War Records ( obviously wanting me to join) promising me information on my paternal grandfather James Rands. He was a private in the Middlesex Regiment apparently.

Years ago I think I saw something about him being a deserter, but I half remember that it wasnít clear. It looked as though that had been crossed out...
I also remember hearing that he did a spell at Buckingham Palace. Would that have been as a guard? With the busby etc?

Can anyone help me with this please? Is it worth paying to join up and get all the information?

I remember him quite well and I could believe the story of desertion......Iíd love to know more!

Thanks in advance
Rands - Hackney. Bedfordshire.
Griffiths - Birkenhead. Queensland, Australia
Ollive/Olive - Cheshire. Birkenhead
Holt - ?Cheshire/Liverpool
Lacey - Mile End, London. Queensland, Australia
Felix (surname ), Wales, England.
Sewell - Middx. Queensland, Australia
Sapsord/ Sapsford - Middx

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Re: Deserter?
« Reply #1 on: Friday 23 February 18 11:08 GMT (UK) »
There are posts on rootschat about info on that website, very often it can be found elsewhere  ;)

Where and when was he born so that we can look elsewhere for you.

Rosie
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Re: Deserter?
« Reply #2 on: Friday 23 February 18 11:25 GMT (UK) »
Oooh, youíre a cocker owner!!!! Our boy died two years ago. Miss him loads. He was a blue roan too.
Donít suppose you are on Cockers on line or Cockers on Facebook?

James Edward Rands. Born 18 May 1893, Horton Old Town, Shoreditch

Thank you.
Rands - Hackney. Bedfordshire.
Griffiths - Birkenhead. Queensland, Australia
Ollive/Olive - Cheshire. Birkenhead
Holt - ?Cheshire/Liverpool
Lacey - Mile End, London. Queensland, Australia
Felix (surname ), Wales, England.
Sewell - Middx. Queensland, Australia
Sapsord/ Sapsford - Middx

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Re: Deserter?
« Reply #3 on: Friday 23 February 18 11:55 GMT (UK) »
Did he marry Elizabeth Sarah Jackson  :-\


This horror is 9 years old.  He had us up several times last night 'fox hunting' in the garden  ::)  He is my 4th and probably last  :(     I was on COL when he was little but can't remember my user name/password though I do still look on there
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Re: Deserter?
« Reply #4 on: Friday 23 February 18 12:03 GMT (UK) »
A man that fits that was in the Scots Guards , number 8905 and what you perhaps saw was the medal record of his 1914 Star which is annotated to the effect that a first report of him having died in Sep 16 was now cancelled and he was awaiting trial by Field General Court Martial in Nov 1917.  The Scots Guards enlistment register suggests that he was first reported dead, then re-
surfaced.  He was discharged 1920 no longer fit.  There is no on line service record to dig deeper  for detail so Forces War records do not have anything more than the medal info. His medal card is at the National Archives.  However, the Guards kept their own service records so it would be worth applying to https://scotsguards.org/history/archives/

Rosie has found the same man.

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« Reply #5 on: Friday 23 February 18 13:01 GMT (UK) »
I was taken in by the Forces War Record ads but, as others have said, the information they had wasn't any more than I'd already found on Ancestry.  Fortunately, I only paid for one search so I didn't lose much money.  They did email me a few times offering me a reduced rate to sign up to them but I ignored their messages and they seem to have stopped.

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Re: Deserter?
« Reply #6 on: Friday 23 February 18 13:30 GMT (UK) »
Thank you so much.
Very helpful.
He died in 1968. Not a very nice man, at all.

Hi Rosie. I was on COL too until we moved to Australia in 2009 (with Buddy!), it got too hard to read about meet-ups etc, and then my online focus moved to Facebook..
Rands - Hackney. Bedfordshire.
Griffiths - Birkenhead. Queensland, Australia
Ollive/Olive - Cheshire. Birkenhead
Holt - ?Cheshire/Liverpool
Lacey - Mile End, London. Queensland, Australia
Felix (surname ), Wales, England.
Sewell - Middx. Queensland, Australia
Sapsord/ Sapsford - Middx