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Puzzle - does this name help my long search?
« on: Friday 23 February 18 16:23 GMT (UK) »
I have been trying to find a birth/baptism about 1802 for my 3xgt grandmother Bathsheba Boothroyd - well, it seems like since Noah was a lad!!

19th century West Yorkshire folk seem to have had a penchant for naming their children by a surname associated with the family - often the mother's maiden name.

I have just discovered that Bathsheba's eldest daughter Mary Sykes  not only named her first child Bathsheba (sadly, she died in infancy) but also called her only son Boyes (1858 Huddersfield reg District).

I've been trying to find some association between the surname Boyes and Boothroyd in this context without any success i.e. I need some help please!

Mary Sykes husband (and Boyes' father) was Godfrey Ellis - of course, the name Boyes may be associated with his side of the family and be no help at all in finding my Bathsheba Boothroyd - I can but hope!  ::) ::)
HELP!!!

 BATHSHEBA BOOTHROYD bn c. 1802 W. Yorks.

Baptism nowhere to be found. Possibly in a nonconformist church near ALMONDBURY or HUDDERSFIELD.

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Re: Puzzle - does this name help my long search?
« Reply #1 on: Friday 23 February 18 16:33 GMT (UK) »
Not sure why, but I can't find any birth registration in 1857-1858 for a child called Boyes ????

Boyes Pickering - 1859 in Stockton Registration District - is the only instance I can see of Boyes 1855-1860.  :-\

Added:  Or are you referring to Boys Ellis - Huddersfield Registration District - 1858 - mmn = Sykes?

 
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Re: Puzzle - does this name help my long search?
« Reply #2 on: Friday 23 February 18 16:37 GMT (UK) »
As Yorkshire was a hot-bed for Non-Conformists, you may have to look there for Bathsheba's baptism.

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Re: Puzzle - does this name help my long search?
« Reply #3 on: Friday 23 February 18 17:11 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

Yes  its the Boyes Ellis you mention.  In other records he's definitely Boyes as opposed to Boys. Examples of what I mean by using presumably associated :- Mary Sykes/Ellis's niece Ann Holmes married a Smith Walton and named one of her sons Arthur Holmes Walton.

The thing I'm trying to work out is where, if anywhere, does the name Boyes (or Boys) figure in the Boothroyd/Sykes/Ellis family?

I've tried all the noncon records I can lay my hands on for Bathsheba's baptism/birth but no success.
HELP!!!

 BATHSHEBA BOOTHROYD bn c. 1802 W. Yorks.

Baptism nowhere to be found. Possibly in a nonconformist church near ALMONDBURY or HUDDERSFIELD.


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Re: Puzzle - does this name help my long search?
« Reply #4 on: Friday 23 February 18 17:34 GMT (UK) »
Yorkshire - and possibly elsewhere - use of surnames as forenames is rife, and you're probably right about Boyes being a relative.  I have Fairbank, Holland, Jennings all used as forenames, plus Alison  as a male forename - my great grandfather, his cousin, his brother in law and a cousin of the BiL - on my side it's possibly supposed to be Allenson/Allinson.

You'll just have to keep searching  ;D
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Re: Puzzle - does this name help my long search?
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 24 February 18 16:27 GMT (UK) »
It might not be a family name they might have name the child after a family friend or someone they respected.
I have a Fergus O'Connor Kitson born 1841 and you would think Irish connection but on father was William Kitson born Huddersfield mother was Eliza Fenton born Almondbury.

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Re: Puzzle - does this name help my long search?
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 24 February 18 18:11 GMT (UK) »
You may well be right!

However, it feels like it might possibly be a clue to knocking down a very sturdy brickwall, so I'm not giving up yet!
HELP!!!

 BATHSHEBA BOOTHROYD bn c. 1802 W. Yorks.

Baptism nowhere to be found. Possibly in a nonconformist church near ALMONDBURY or HUDDERSFIELD.

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« Reply #7 on: Saturday 24 February 18 18:12 GMT (UK) »
Good!  And good luck!

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Re: Puzzle - does this name help my long search?
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 24 February 18 18:17 GMT (UK) »
It might not be a family name they might have name the child after a family friend or someone they respected.
I have a Fergus O'Connor Kitson born 1841 and you would think Irish connection but on father was William Kitson born Huddersfield mother was Eliza Fenton born Almondbury.


I had a Feargus O'Connor Moon born to my Sussex family, who , apart from him called everyone the same range of basic traditional names that had been in the family for years.

But someone on here pointed me to the Chartist, Feargus O'Connor, and the practice of naming children after him!

see
http://www.chartistancestors.co.uk/chartist-children-1643-names/

I guess your Kitson family did the same!
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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