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Murphy Catholic Baptism
« on: Saturday 24 February 18 18:05 GMT (UK) »
Hi, this is linked to this post http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=739245.9.

Have just been sorting through paperwork and came across this baptism that I recorded in 2011 and as I have no knowledge of either Latin or Catholicism I wondered whether anybody could give me the exact meaning and whether there was anything within the wording that would allow me to do any follow up work.  I am still desperately trying to find any clues as to the Murphy origins.

'Our Lady Star of the Sea, Crooms Hill, Greenwich:
Die 20 Aprilis natur et 9 Maie bapt Thomas Murphy filius Michaelis et Maria (olin Brasum) Conj Patrimus Gulielmus Murphy  Matrina Margaretta Riley'

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Re: Murphy Catholic Baptism
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 03 March 18 10:17 GMT (UK) »
Relocated as requested.

Hope you get help soon.
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Re: Murphy Catholic Baptism
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 03 March 18 10:53 GMT (UK) »


'Our Lady Star of the Sea, Crooms Hill, Greenwich:
Die 20 Aprilis natur et 9 Maie bapt Thomas Murphy filius Michaelis et Maria (olin Brasum) Conj Patrimus Gulielmus Murphy  Matrina Margaretta Riley'

Thanks, Pheno

https://www.archives.com/experts/alzo-lisa/researching-roman-catholic-church-records.html

So, you would appear to have:
Born 20th April and baptised 9th May, Thomas Murphy son of Michael and Mary (formerly Brasum), God-father William Murphy and -mother Margaret Riley

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Re: Murphy Catholic Baptism
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 03 March 18 14:47 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for that.  Will read the link shortly.

Hoping it might indicate whether godparents have to be present or what relationship is likely so that I might be able to follow up on William Murphy/Margaret Riley as potential family links.

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Re: Murphy Catholic Baptism
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 03 March 18 15:35 GMT (UK) »
Hello,

The Godparents would be in attendance. It would be rare if they were not. I once stood in for a Godparent who couldn’t there so it was by proxy but I have no idea what was written on that form.

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Re: Murphy Catholic Baptism
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 03 March 18 16:12 GMT (UK) »
Godparents don't have to be relatives, but they usually are.

Or a great friend of the family, at times

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Re: Murphy Catholic Baptism
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 03 March 18 17:24 GMT (UK) »
I just had the impression that these things were fairly strict in the catholic church and there were certain conventions about who was likely to be a godparent.

Maybe not.

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Re: Murphy Catholic Baptism
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 03 March 18 20:08 GMT (UK) »
Any responsible adult, baptised, has received communion and is confirmed can be a godparent or in my case, one responsible adult who never met me again (midwife) and one alcoholic (only friend father could find in a hurry)who forgot I existed so I wouldn't say they are very strict at all. :D

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Re: Murphy Catholic Baptism
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 03 March 18 22:36 GMT (UK) »
Any responsible adult, baptised, has received communion and is confirmed can be a godparent or in my case, one responsible adult who never met me again (midwife) and one alcoholic (only friend father could find in a hurry)who forgot I existed so I wouldn't say they are very strict at all. :D
In times past, even recent past, i.e. mid-late 20thC, before the rules were revised, they didn't even have to be adult. In my case it was the 2 relatives who could be bothered to turn up at the church in time for the baptism and one was a young teenager so he had to do. If they hadn't been there my godparents would likely have been the parents of the other baby who was baptised with me. Only one godparent/sponsor is strictly necessary.