Marriage: John H Meadth to Sarah Owens

[paulmh]

Maybe she liked the uniform!

It is one possibility.

Can you advise on where I go next as all this information is bamboozling and nothing seems clear.

Robert won't be in it but I don't believe I have found Sarah in the 1891 census - could this unlock something. Or even if I found Robert's gravestone?

[Milliepede]

I posted an 1891 for Sarah earlier look up the page.  It was transcribed as Owen but I believe the details match. 

It’s reply number 9 

[paulmh]

Is this Sarah in 1891 under Owen?

Sarah Owen 38 born Belfast
Joseph H Owen 18 son born Belfast
Sarah Owen 11 dau born Pendleton
Catherine Owen 8 dau born Pendleton
Catherine Hagan 23 friend born Belfast
Patrick Rock 60 boarder born Drogheda

Sarah is down as a widow living 77 Peel Street Pendleton Salford

There's a Samuel Owen death in Manchester 1884 age 34 might be worth checking out

The information suggests that it could be the same Sarah. We know they lived around the Pendleton area and that both she and Samuel had 4 children that I know of; Samuel (b. 1874, Pendleton), Martha W (b. 1877, Pendleton), Sarah (b. 1880, Salford), and Kate (b. 1885 Salford).

So who was Joseph, and where were Samuel & Martha in 1891?

[Milliepede]

Joseph must have been the oldest son born Ireland before they moved over to England.

Samuel and Martha would have been old enough by 1891 to be out on their own or as servants somewhere.

Will have a look for them. 

[Milliepede]

Martha has a second name Wilhelmina and there is a death in Mar 1884 Salford for a

Martha Wilhelmina Owens age 6 so that sadly could be why she isn't around in 1891 

Also a Samuel Owens death age 10 Sep 1884 Salford but would really need the death certificate to confirm he was "your" Samuel. 

[Milliepede]

Births for Owens mothers name Porter in Salford

Jun 1877 Martha Wilhelmina
Jun 1880 Sarah
Dec 1882 Catherine
Sep 1885 Martha - that would make sense if the other Martha had died **

Sep 1894 Robert

Can't see the birth for Samuel yet and Joseph would be in Ireland

** possible death for the second Martha Jun 1886 Salford age 0

[Milliepede]

Wrong info deleted.

[Milliepede]

Ok Joseph is throwing me off, why isn't he with the family in 1881.

There is a Joseph H Owens age 7 as a boarder in 1881    down as born Liverpool. 

Head of the house is Harriet E A Lindsay 47 widow dressmaker
Mary L Lindsay 18 daughter school mistress
Maud C L Lindsay 9 boarder

but don't know if this is the right Joseph or why he is out boarding

[paulmh]

Ok Joseph is throwing me off, why isn't he with the family in 1881.

There is a Joseph H Owens age 7 as a boarder in 1881    down as born Liverpool. 

Head of the house is Harriet E A Lindsay 47 widow dressmaker
Mary L Lindsay 18 daughter school mistress
Maud C L Lindsay 9 boarder

but don't know if this is the right Joseph or why he is out boarding

I have just been thinking to myself why isn't he in the 1891 census when he would have only been a young age. It does seem rather odd if your findings are correct