Marriage: John H Meadth to Sarah Owens

[Milliepede]

Is this Sarah in 1891 under Owen?

Sarah Owen 38 born Belfast
Joseph H Owen 18 son born Belfast
Sarah Owen 11 dau born Pendleton
Catherine Owen 8 dau born Pendleton
Catherine Hagan 23 friend born Belfast
Patrick Rock 60 boarder born Drogheda

Sarah is down as a widow living 77 Peel Street Pendleton Salford

There's a Samuel Owen death in Manchester 1884 age 34 might be worth checking out

[Milliepede]

I don't know if this is your Robert but there is a Robert Owen baptism 8 May 1895 to John & Sarah Owen which could mean John was the father but as they were unmarried they masqueraded as Owen 

I don't know if this is the right area but it was at Gt Lever St Bartholomew Bolton.  Could be a different family entirely but just in case.

[amondg]

Samuel Owens married Sarah Porter 1872 Belfast Ireland registration district. Volume 1 page 463.

So the maiden name 'should' always be Porter.

1891
son Joseph H Owen age 18 in 1891 states born Belfast Ireland
daughter Sarah 11 was registered Salford 1880 mmn Porter
daughter Catherine 8 was registered Salford 1882 mmn Porter

1901 Kate Meadth is actually Catherine Owen

 

[paulmh]

Apologies everyone. Thank you for all your help but I have finally been handed the marriage certificate. I am conducting this research on behalf of my in-laws and to-date have gone on what they have told me.

I have 2 copies of Robert's Marriage Certificate. One is the actual certificate and the other is for the purpose of a widow's pension. I know he died of cancer in 1938 but there is no date on this certificate.

Date: 17th July 1921 (Barton Upon Irwell)

Robert Owens Meadth  27  Bachelor   Motor Salesman   6, Osborne St, Weale
Father: Hugh John Meadth (deceased) - of independent means

Annie Painter               25  Spinster   Unreadable     19, Gordon St, Palmcroft
Father: Samuel Painter - Manager Warehouse

As you can see, this is where all the confusion is. Who was Hugh John Meadth and who was John H Meadth - are they the same person with the names mixed round?

[Milliepede]

Well that's interesting he has Owens as a middle name.

Would need to find out if the "H" in John H was for Hugh so a birth for him would be good. 
People did swap names about or use middle names. 

So it's looking like John could be the father after all. 

[Milliepede]

In 1901 there is a boarder John M Meadth 22 born Salford but no birth record for that name.

Is Meadth an Irish surname only it doesn't appear much, I wonder if it could be under a different spelling?

[paulmh]

Well that's interesting he has Owens as a middle name.

Would need to find out if the "H" in John H was for Hugh so a birth for him would be good. 
People did swap names about or use middle names. 

So it's looking like John could be the father after all.

LOL, this is getting even more bizarre. Looking further through the pile of papers I have been handed, I have found a registration of Robert's birth.

At this point I'd like to say that finding this is a bonus but the contents of it throws it off the scale even more!

He was born on 29th July 1894 and his father is named clearly as (drum roll please)..... John Owens  and his mother is Sarah Owens (formerly Porter). John is a Mechanic Fitter (journeyman) and they are now living at 18 Penny Street, Pendleton.

I was told by my mother-in-law that when Robert died there was a large congregation at his funeral. Not so much to pay there respects but to find out what is written on his headstone (Meadth or Owens). Maybe my next port of call should be to find where he was burred and look at the headstone (or inscription) myself?

Among all the other paperwork is a birth cert for Sarah Owens (b.4 March 1880, Pendleton). Her father was Samuel Owens and mother Sarah Owens (formerly Porter) but Samuel's occupation is Mechanic (fitter).

It seems odd that both fathers names have the same occupation - unless Sarah had a thing for mechanics!

[paulmh]

In 1901 there is a boarder John M Meadth 22 born Salford but no birth record for that name.

Is Meadth an Irish surname only it doesn't appear much, I wonder if it could be under a different spelling?

He is also a mystery and unfortunately met an awful death. He was a solider in 1911 census and on 17 April 1915 was drowned at Galipoli when his Manitou was torpedoed. Little is known about him other than he was born in Dublin (no dob), he was single and left his Effects to his brother Thomas. His regiment number was 41807 and was a Driver for the Royal Field Artillery. sadly this is all I know about him.

I had seen that John Meadth (married to Sarah) in 1901 census had a son called John (b. c1883) - at present I've not looked at what happened to him but ponder whether this is the same one whom died in WWI.

[Milliepede]

Maybe she liked the uniform!